CONFIMRED - Glenn Murray on loan

[M Brook]

Doesn't try hard enough, the criticism of footballers from people with nothing real or credible to which they can resort.

No - you're wrong. It's a perfectly reasonable observation based on his recent performances. Many people make the same criticism of HRK and on some occasIons they are right. The point about Murray is that it is clear he never saw his future with us and was not as committed as others. If he had been a Reading player rather than a loanee who knew he could go back to a Prem club, I believe he would have tried harder. If he had been released by Palace and was trying to impress to get a contract here, I believe he would have tried harder.

[Woodcote Royal]

Doesn't try hard enough, the criticism of footballers from people with nothing real or credible to which they can resort.

Priceless

[peterroyal76]

lol. he worked as hard as anyone.

Spot on.

[bcubed]

Doesn't try hard enough, the criticism of footballers from people with nothing real or credible to which they can resort.

Priceless

Indeed

They know nothing, the criticism of nobbers from IanRoyal when they hold a different view to him

[melonhead]

lol. he worked as hard as anyone.

No, he didn't. Bcubed is right - he gave 80% max and played like a player who knew he was only temporary and would be off soon. If he had signed for us, and been totally committed to us, we might have seen a different player. The one we saw was not good enough.

lol.

worked his socks off. won every single header, never stopped chasing defenders, held the ball up better than any striker weve had since....kitson? & easily the best striker we had here

[WoodleyRoyal]

Doesn't try hard enough, the criticism of footballers from people with nothing real or credible to which they can resort.

No - you're wrong. It's a perfectly reasonable observation based on his recent performances. Many people make the same criticism of HRK and on some occasIons they are right. The point about Murray is that it is clear he never saw his future with us and was not as committed as others. If he had been a Reading player rather than a loanee who knew he could go back to a Prem club, I believe he would have tried harder. If he had been released by Palace and was trying to impress to get a contract here, I believe he would have tried harder.

Did he know he was only temporally here though? As far as he was concerned Warnock had told him he wasn't going to get a game at Palace his career there was over. Murray was playing for his future whether that was here or elsewhere he had no future at palace then, and a man playing for his future is one who is going to 'try hard' even if were to impress other clubs. Only towards the very end when warnock was sacked (27th december) leaving only the one game, the Norwich game, where his head may have been in a different place re; his return to palace. To say he wasn't trying is nonsense, let us not forget he also needed to prove he could still cut after an injury that often ends careers.

[Ian Royal]

Agreeing with Woodcote = time to seriously question your opinion.

[Woodcote Royal]

So you are reading my posts once more............................is this Ian Royal finally getting that mentally challenged head out of his arse? Probably not

[biff]

phucking christ. the guy was a cut above, running his socks off surrounded by useless players providing no service. Going back to Palace will be a breath of fresh air for him, he'll flourish. good luck to him

[Armadillo Roadkill]

phucking christ. the guy was a cut above, running his socks off surrounded by useless players providing no service. Going back to Palace will be a breath of fresh air for him, he'll flourish. good luck to him

Agreed. He didn't have to run around aimlessly for 95 minutes to be trying. He used his energy intelligently. He had some games better than others. But he was by far our best player up front - and he made the players around him better (I'm thinking especially of Cox).

I'm on dangerous ground here, but I'm inclined to agree with Ian - even if I'd try to be a little more diplomatic in how I express it . The standard accusation of a player "doesn't try hard enough" is like the one about having a manager having "no passion" to explain poor performances. They are phrases bandied around all too often with little real understanding. Not to say they're never wrong, just that they are easy to use by someone with little real insight into what is going on.

Some players do run around constantly and the contribution isn't always effective (yes, I'm thinking of you, James Harper). Others work harder than seems physically possible and make outstanding contributions (Shane Long anyone). Others can amble around looking bored then turn a game with an act of genius (Cureton or Le Fondre).

HRK does look like he's no trying though....

[floyd__streete]

1 goal scored in 3 hours playing time since Murray left suggests that we're not better off without him

Meanwhile, we're halfway through the month and seemingly no closer to the replacement we so desperately need. How very predictable.

[3points]

1 goal scored in 3 hours playing time since Murray left suggests that we're not better off without him

But we've also been much tighter defensively. What does that say? It's about the system played by different managers as much as individual players. We've created a lot less chances. If you watched Murray play against Dover he missed a couple of really good chances in the first 10 minutes. He seems to be the type of player (like Andy Cole was) that needs at least 5 chances before he scores.

But yes, I agree we could do with another forward.

[Ian Royal]

We were tighter defensively before Murray left. That has very little to do with his absence.

With Murray we created more chances and scored more goals. Pog, HRK or Blackman are really going to have to step up their game to fill the void he's left. Pog's never got on the end of much even when we were in much better form, so i don't think he's going to prove more than his usual waste of money.

[Handsome Man]

Palace want Gestede from Blackburn so Murray will have to make way and we'll get him, apparently.

[UpThePrem]

Palace want Gestede from Blackburn so Murray will have to make way and we'll get him, apparently.

That's what Talksport are reporting. Gestede to Palace and Murray to us for £2M.

[Sanguine]

Terrific news. Murray will make a hell of a difference again.

[Big Foot]

Hope we don't sign Murray & certainly not for £2m

[Angry Shed Sex]

That's excellent news. One of the kids made me a Glenn Murray book mark for Christmas and burst into tears when I told her he doesn't play for us any more.

[Sutekh]

Sorry but Murray improves our current squad, whether his value is worth £2M of course is another matter....

[Man Friday]

Sorry but Murray improves our current squad, whether his value is worth £2M of course is another matter....

Spot on.