Shane Long

[Archie's penalty]

...also, great to see Snowball back to update a stat in support of one of his claims after a bit of a break from the board when everything else he came up with was shown to be as reliable as a flying Malian winger!

Nothing to do with that. I'm just fed up with the pessimism, the lack of intelligence,
from the knee-jerking morons on this list.

Keep it up lads and we might get rid of him permanantly!

Don't join the morons Ian....

[Snowball]

...also, great to see Snowball back to update a stat in support of one of his claims after a bit of a break from the board when everything else he came up with was shown to be as reliable as a flying Malian winger!

Nothing to do with that. I'm just fed up with the pessimism, the lack of intelligence,
from the knee-jerking morons on this list.

Keep it up lads and we might get rid of him permanantly!

(a) F-ck you, moron

(b) Learn to spell

(c) Go support some other club

[Ian Royal]

a)

b) You're not worth the effort of proof reading.

c) No thanks I'm Reading 'til I die (not the poster obviously).

[Sun Tzu]

because I can't believe someone who is normally fairly intelligent and rational considers it a posibility.

It's only possible in that at the start of last season it was technically possible Derby could win the Premier League.

I refer you to your own evidence...

05/06
- 111 goals - 54 games

Kitson 22
Doyle 19
Lita 15
Sidwell 10

You ought to decide which side you are on....

[Ian Royal]

So Sidwell got 15 and was a striker was he?

[Sun Tzu]

So Sidwell got 15 and was a striker was he?

No, he got 10 and was a midfielder.

I would have thought you would have known that....

Not the point though.

4 players hitting a lot of goals, which is apparantly not possible.

[PEARCEY]

Of course its possible four players can reach double figures in a season as the previous stat shows.
I should imagine Cardiff with McCormack, Chopra, Bothroyd and Parry would have achieved that if all four had been at the club from the start of the season...he says nervously not knowing how many Parry has scored this season.

[Snowball]

MK Dons, this season, three games left to play


Goals

15 0 15 STRIKER Aaron Wilbraham
12 1 13 STRIKER Sam Baldock
10 0 10 STRIKER Peter Leven
10 0 10 STRIKER Ali Gerba
05 0 05 STRIKER Jemal Johnson

[PEARCEY]

Well done Snowball. Its not an insane argument at all.
I checked Cardiff and McCormack and Bothroyd are in double figures. Chopra's on 9 but Parry only on 4 Still two double-hatricks from him between now and the end of the...........

[Hoop Blah]

Of course !

I have no real idea why Papes and Hoops keep mentioning it - I only have their comments to go on as to what was said. I'm just flattered that they keep the original saved away somewhere....

I mention it because it stuck in my mind as one of the most stupid arguments of that pre-season and you really couldn't admit that what you were suggesting was ludicrous.

Just to confirm, this was in the build up to our second season in the Premiership and you predicted that we could get all three of our front line forwards scoring double figures in the league.

Now although that is physically possible because there isn't actually a limit on the number of goals they could score, the fact that the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal etc etc hadn't been able to get 3 players into double figures means it was going to be virtually impossible for a team like Reading to achieve the feat.

The idea that they are all individually capable of getting into double figures independently is one thing, and I'd agree they all showed enough talent to do it in the season before, actually getting all three of them to do it was never going to happen.

You just couldn't admit that it was not going to happen.

The scoring record for us in the 106 points season is irrelevant as this was a discussion about PREMIERSHIP goal scoring where very few players get 10 league goals across the whole league let alone a club like Reading.

[Hoop Blah]

You seem to have overlooked the key word reliable.
Yes Kebe has created a number of our goals this season and been quite effective at times. Unfortunately at other times he's been absolutely shocking and if Snowball had a stat on Kebe's f*ck up to decent ball ration I'm sure it would be a little on the poor side.
If he were reliable his crossing and general play wouldn't be quite so inconsistent.

Kebe doesn't take corners or free-kicks but he is second highest on the assists chart

Assists/Starts

18 40 Stephen Hunt
09 36 Jimmy Kebe
05 39 Kevin Doyle
03 27 Noel Hunt
03 40 Chris Armstrong
03 40 Liam Rosenior
02 28 James Harper
02 13 Jem Karacan
02 09 Shane Long

Come on Snowball, you can read English!

Those stats have no relevance to the point I was making about his reliability. I didn't say he hadn't created many goals or chances. I specifically said that he wasn't very reliable at producing a consistent end product.

If you can't see that when watching him you must've been more blinded by your constant pouring over the stats than I imagined.

[Hoop Blah]

...also, great to see Snowball back to update a stat in support of one of his claims after a bit of a break from the board when everything else he came up with was shown to be as reliable as a flying Malian winger!

Nothing to do with that. I'm just fed up with the pessimism, the lack of intelligence,
from the knee-jerking morons on this list.

You mean the realism, the ability to see football for what it is and not a maze full of meaningless stats, from those who were proved right again?

[Sun Tzu]

Of course !

I have no real idea why Papes and Hoops keep mentioning it - I only have their comments to go on as to what was said. I'm just flattered that they keep the original saved away somewhere....

I mention it because it stuck in my mind as one of the most stupid arguments of that pre-season and you really couldn't admit that what you were suggesting was ludicrous.
.

why admit anything if it causes such angst amongst the football brains of the board !!!

[Hoop Blah]

Sorry, I really didn't realise you were that sad to spend so much time and effort back then to defend a point you didn't believe in just because others were willing to argue back.

If that's really the case then I can understand why you have to take yourself away every now and again and come back with a new username.

Must be an odd way to live!

Each to their own I guess.

...unless that's your way of saying you now realise you were totally wrong.

[Snowball]

You seem to have overlooked the key word reliable.
Yes Kebe has created a number of our goals this season and been quite effective at times. Unfortunately at other times he's been absolutely shocking and if Snowball had a stat on Kebe's f*ck up to decent ball ration I'm sure it would be a little on the poor side.
If he were reliable his crossing and general play wouldn't be quite so inconsistent.

Kebe doesn't take corners or free-kicks but he is second highest on the assists chart

Assists/Starts

18 40 Stephen Hunt
09 36 Jimmy Kebe

Come on Snowball, you can read English! Those stats have no relevance to the point I was making about his reliability. I didn't say he hadn't created many goals or chances. I specifically said that he wasn't very reliable at producing a consistent end product.
If you can't see that when watching him you must've been more blinded by your constant pouring over the stats than I imagined.

I don't CARE! What matters, overall is goals for strikers, assists (and a few goals) for midfielders
and the stats are that Hunt and Kebe between them have provided 27 assists and 8 goals (35)
from a total of 69 goals... and we are second-top scoring side in this league.

So, IMO, overall, they have done their job

[Snowball]

...also, great to see Snowball back to update a stat in support of one of his claims after a bit of a break from the board when everything else he came up with was shown to be as reliable as a flying Malian winger!

Nothing to do with that. I'm just fed up with the pessimism, the lack of intelligence,
from the knee-jerking morons on this list.

You mean the realism, the ability to see football for what it is and not a maze full of meaningless stats, from those who were proved right again?

No, the "realism" is that this list is packed with knee-jerking morons who don't know football.

I would back Steve Coppel's judgment over 99.9% of this list

[CMRoyal]

think thats quite unfair

hes shown steady improvement IMO, and because of that deserves to stay and get more some game time

Agreed - I have my doubts but feel that his touch and decision making have improved this season. However, typically for him it took him three goes to get his timing of run right behind a pedestrian Derby defence on Tuesday, and that's the kind of thin margin between him being a good player and a very good player (that and the aforementioned touch, which should come with games). This is his chance, right here and now, with forwards out injured and progressive midfielders like Jem holding sway in the team he's got a real chance to make his mark and make a difference.

[CMRoyal]

...also, great to see Snowball back to update a stat in support of one of his claims after a bit of a break from the board when everything else he came up with was shown to be as reliable as a flying Malian winger!

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[papereyes]

Sorry, I really didn't realise you were that sad to spend so much time and effort back then to defend a point you didn't believe in just because others were willing to argue back.

If that's really the case then I can understand why you have to take yourself away every now and again and come back with a new username..

LOL!

Well said, that man.

[brendywendy]

You seem to have overlooked the key word reliable.
Yes Kebe has created a number of our goals this season and been quite effective at times. Unfortunately at other times he's been absolutely shocking and if Snowball had a stat on Kebe's f*ck up to decent ball ration I'm sure it would be a little on the poor side.
If he were reliable his crossing and general play wouldn't be quite so inconsistent.

Kebe doesn't take corners or free-kicks but he is second highest on the assists chart

Assists/Starts

18 40 Stephen Hunt
09 36 Jimmy Kebe
05 39 Kevin Doyle
03 27 Noel Hunt
03 40 Chris Armstrong
03 40 Liam Rosenior
02 28 James Harper
02 13 Jem Karacan
02 09 Shane Long

Come on Snowball, you can read English!

Those stats have no relevance to the point I was making about his reliability. I didn't say he hadn't created many goals or chances. I specifically said that he wasn't very reliable at producing a consistent end product.

If you can't see that when watching him you must've been more blinded by your constant pouring over the stats than I imagined.

hes consistantly inconsistant!but hes not done all that badly in real terms
yes its frustrating to see him try stuff and cock it up,and that happens alot. but that shouldnt blind you to all the occasions where he tries stuff and it does come off, or he does stuff that just puts the fear of god into opposition defenders, or done stuff that comes off and another player cocks it it up