Old Man AndrewsWestwood52 If you look at goals against its not too bad.
The problem is we do not score enough goals.
Revolutionary analysis there from Westwood. Mind blowing stuff.
Have a good Xmas OMA.
by Westwood52 » 16 Dec 2019 10:28
Old Man AndrewsWestwood52 If you look at goals against its not too bad.
The problem is we do not score enough goals.
Revolutionary analysis there from Westwood. Mind blowing stuff.
by Stranded » 16 Dec 2019 12:41
HoundStranded So in short:
Bowen has improved the defense markedly and we are scoring more but for the time being you should only expect games to be won or lost 1-0 with the odd 1-1 or 0-0 thrown in.
And interestingly, that's what a lot of the fanbase were calling for when Gomes left, myself included
by leon » 16 Dec 2019 13:02
StrandedHoundStranded So in short:
Bowen has improved the defense markedly and we are scoring more but for the time being you should only expect games to be won or lost 1-0 with the odd 1-1 or 0-0 thrown in.
And interestingly, that's what a lot of the fanbase were calling for when Gomes left, myself included
Yep - but people don't like that reality when it is served up. This is the kind of season we need - grinding out results, keeping our heads above water but getting that mental toughness in place not to roll over as we have done in the past.
When you get a team like this though, the margins are very fine - a team can easily get on a run and win 4 or 5 games on the bounce equally, you can lose the same just as easily - that is why avoiding defeat in these last 2 away games was key - now we need to get momentum from the 2 home games. As if we don't looking at the Preston & Fulham away games starts to become pretty daunting.
by Snowflake Royal » 16 Dec 2019 17:45
by URZZZZ » 16 Dec 2019 18:37
Snowflake Royal Yeah. And under Gomes the structure of the defence was a shambles and we were being carved open at will.
Now we're mostly solid with the occasional lapse, just like most of the rest of the division.
You've seen goals coming under Bowen, but not because teams are running through us and creating lots of chances, but because we're being pinned back because we're not going forward effectively and sooner or later that forces a small error that leads to a goal.
by Snowflake Royal » 16 Dec 2019 20:46
URZZZZSnowflake Royal Yeah. And under Gomes the structure of the defence was a shambles and we were being carved open at will.
Now we're mostly solid with the occasional lapse, just like most of the rest of the division.
You've seen goals coming under Bowen, but not because teams are running through us and creating lots of chances, but because we're being pinned back because we're not going forward effectively and sooner or later that forces a small error that leads to a goal.
If you ignore the Fulham game which skews the goals conceded, it wasn’t actually too bad
What I found the problems was, was that we’d concede an early sloppy goal (the same type every week), and then we’d aimlessly pass around the back four, not really creating anything. Other than Fulham, I’d hardly say we were regularly thumped
I wouldn’t say it was particularly being carved open throughout the game though
by Stranded » 17 Dec 2019 09:01
URZZZZSnowflake Royal Yeah. And under Gomes the structure of the defence was a shambles and we were being carved open at will.
Now we're mostly solid with the occasional lapse, just like most of the rest of the division.
You've seen goals coming under Bowen, but not because teams are running through us and creating lots of chances, but because we're being pinned back because we're not going forward effectively and sooner or later that forces a small error that leads to a goal.
If you ignore the Fulham game which skews the goals conceded, it wasn’t actually too bad
What I found the problems was, was that we’d concede an early sloppy goal (the same type every week), and then we’d aimlessly pass around the back four, not really creating anything. Other than Fulham, I’d hardly say we were regularly thumped
I wouldn’t say it was particularly being carved open throughout the game though
by Hound » 17 Dec 2019 09:05
by URZZZZ » 17 Dec 2019 12:29
StrandedURZZZZSnowflake Royal Yeah. And under Gomes the structure of the defence was a shambles and we were being carved open at will.
Now we're mostly solid with the occasional lapse, just like most of the rest of the division.
You've seen goals coming under Bowen, but not because teams are running through us and creating lots of chances, but because we're being pinned back because we're not going forward effectively and sooner or later that forces a small error that leads to a goal.
If you ignore the Fulham game which skews the goals conceded, it wasn’t actually too bad
What I found the problems was, was that we’d concede an early sloppy goal (the same type every week), and then we’d aimlessly pass around the back four, not really creating anything. Other than Fulham, I’d hardly say we were regularly thumped
I wouldn’t say it was particularly being carved open throughout the game though
We can play that game - lets ignore the Fulham game and the Birmingham game for fairness to Bowen.
Gomes 13 in 10 (10 scored)
Bowen 7 in 9 (12 scored)
So taking away the abberation games, defence much improved - conceding less that 1 a game now which is actually promotion form esp with a +5 GD - Gomes side still had a -3 GD without Fulham - so whilst outside of that game it's "not bad", we are definitely better in both directions now than we were.
by Snowflake Royal » 17 Dec 2019 12:33
URZZZZStrandedURZZZZ
If you ignore the Fulham game which skews the goals conceded, it wasn’t actually too bad
What I found the problems was, was that we’d concede an early sloppy goal (the same type every week), and then we’d aimlessly pass around the back four, not really creating anything. Other than Fulham, I’d hardly say we were regularly thumped
I wouldn’t say it was particularly being carved open throughout the game though
We can play that game - lets ignore the Fulham game and the Birmingham game for fairness to Bowen.
Gomes 13 in 10 (10 scored)
Bowen 7 in 9 (12 scored)
So taking away the abberation games, defence much improved - conceding less that 1 a game now which is actually promotion form esp with a +5 GD - Gomes side still had a -3 GD without Fulham - so whilst outside of that game it's "not bad", we are definitely better in both directions now than we were.
I was excluding the Fulham game because of the 10 men. They were leading 1-0 but who’s to say how the game would have panned out
I know the defence has improved under Bowen than Gomes but I’m not sure teams were actually creating that many chances against us under Gomes, it was just conceding the same type of goal in the same time period every single game, the problem was a whole collection of things
by URZZZZ » 17 Dec 2019 12:57
Snowflake RoyalURZZZZStranded
We can play that game - lets ignore the Fulham game and the Birmingham game for fairness to Bowen.
Gomes 13 in 10 (10 scored)
Bowen 7 in 9 (12 scored)
So taking away the abberation games, defence much improved - conceding less that 1 a game now which is actually promotion form esp with a +5 GD - Gomes side still had a -3 GD without Fulham - so whilst outside of that game it's "not bad", we are definitely better in both directions now than we were.
I was excluding the Fulham game because of the 10 men. They were leading 1-0 but who’s to say how the game would have panned out
I know the defence has improved under Bowen than Gomes but I’m not sure teams were actually creating that many chances against us under Gomes, it was just conceding the same type of goal in the same time period every single game, the problem was a whole collection of things
Me.
They were taking us apart long before the red.
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