by morganb » 26 Apr 2021 16:40
by Sanguine » 26 Apr 2021 17:00
by bcubed » 26 Apr 2021 17:04
morganb Not really one for Snowball as it is not a measurable statistic but how much does luck play in a team's progress through a season and how much is down to skill/hard work/good referees.
Some examples:
In the Swansea game Joao was wrestled to the ground by a player already on a yellow card. If it was spotted it was a penalty and a probable sending off. The officials either didn't see it or decided it wasn't a foul. Were we unlucky/Swansea lucky or was the referee right?
In the Barnsley v Rotherham game the goal was scored by a player who smashed his forearm into the face of the goalkeeper resulting in a fractured eye socket. The goal stood. Lucky or was the referee right?
There was a period when any ball hit from outside the area towards our goal went in. Skill by the opposition, bad keeping/defending or luck?
The penalties that weren't give against Sheffield Wednesday - unlucky or correct decisions?
Often while watching EFL on Quest you see some goals where you think we'd never get that luck - goalkeeping howlers, lucky deflections, dodgy penalties (Swansea kept getting late pens at one stage, were they all correctly given?)
Were there any instances where Reading were on the receiving end of some good luck - any of the sendings off against us? Offside goals ruled out that were actually on?
Does it really even itself out over the season or are we just an unlucky side.
by Gunny Fishcake » 26 Apr 2021 17:11
by WestYorksRoyal » 26 Apr 2021 17:11
by PistolPete » 26 Apr 2021 17:46
by ILoveMoonPig » 26 Apr 2021 20:43
by Lower West » 26 Apr 2021 21:02
by Hound » 26 Apr 2021 21:16
by Zip » 26 Apr 2021 21:31
by Elm Park Kid » 26 Apr 2021 22:10
by JR » 27 Apr 2021 00:41
PistolPete I feel this has been a VERY unlucky season.
Everyone says 'luck evens itself out'. It's just not true; you could consider luck like 'sliding doors', each moment of luck could (or could not) have a snowball effect on future fortunes.
Who I became friends with at university changed the direction of my life - where I was at a moment in time gave me my life changing job age 22. I really don't see how football is any different.
Naturally, 'the good will out' - so bad luck doesn't define you, but it definitely matters a lot!
by under the tin » 27 Apr 2021 05:36
by bcubed » 27 Apr 2021 08:52
JRPistolPete I feel this has been a VERY unlucky season.
Everyone says 'luck evens itself out'. It's just not true; you could consider luck like 'sliding doors', each moment of luck could (or could not) have a snowball effect on future fortunes.
Who I became friends with at university changed the direction of my life - where I was at a moment in time gave me my life changing job age 22. I really don't see how football is any different.
Naturally, 'the good will out' - so bad luck doesn't define you, but it definitely matters a lot!
I agree with this - football, like life, is about fine margins that have a huge unknown impact down the line.
Momentum is really key in football and I feel some of our bad luck really checked our momentum.
However, I’d much rather be in the championship moaning about bad luck and ref decisions, then being in Prem and moaning about VAR and not being able to properly celebrate a goal.
As an aside the following two sayings drive me mad:
- it evens out over the season. It most certainly does not in most cases
- giving 110% percent......
by Stranded » 27 Apr 2021 09:15
by Westwood52 » 27 Apr 2021 09:44
morganb Not really one for Snowball as it is not a measurable statistic but how much does luck play in a team's progress through a season and how much is down to skill/hard work/good referees.
Some examples:
In the Swansea game Joao was wrestled to the ground by a player already on a yellow card. If it was spotted it was a penalty and a probable sending off. The officials either didn't see it or decided it wasn't a foul. Were we unlucky/Swansea lucky or was the referee right?
In the Barnsley v Rotherham game the goal was scored by a player who smashed his forearm into the face of the goalkeeper resulting in a fractured eye socket. The goal stood. Lucky or was the referee right?
There was a period when any ball hit from outside the area towards our goal went in. Skill by the opposition, bad keeping/defending or luck?
The penalties that weren't give against Sheffield Wednesday - unlucky or correct decisions?
Often while watching EFL on Quest you see some goals where you think we'd never get that luck - goalkeeping howlers, lucky deflections, dodgy penalties (Swansea kept getting late pens at one stage, were they all correctly given?)
Were there any instances where Reading were on the receiving end of some good luck - any of the sendings off against us? Offside goals ruled out that were actually on?
Does it really even itself out over the season or are we just an unlucky side.
by Stranded » 27 Apr 2021 10:00
Westwood52morganb Not really one for Snowball as it is not a measurable statistic but how much does luck play in a team's progress through a season and how much is down to skill/hard work/good referees.
Some examples:
In the Swansea game Joao was wrestled to the ground by a player already on a yellow card. If it was spotted it was a penalty and a probable sending off. The officials either didn't see it or decided it wasn't a foul. Were we unlucky/Swansea lucky or was the referee right?
In the Barnsley v Rotherham game the goal was scored by a player who smashed his forearm into the face of the goalkeeper resulting in a fractured eye socket. The goal stood. Lucky or was the referee right?
There was a period when any ball hit from outside the area towards our goal went in. Skill by the opposition, bad keeping/defending or luck?
The penalties that weren't give against Sheffield Wednesday - unlucky or correct decisions?
Often while watching EFL on Quest you see some goals where you think we'd never get that luck - goalkeeping howlers, lucky deflections, dodgy penalties (Swansea kept getting late pens at one stage, were they all correctly given?)
Were there any instances where Reading were on the receiving end of some good luck - any of the sendings off against us? Offside goals ruled out that were actually on?
Does it really even itself out over the season or are we just an unlucky side.
Absolutely agree on the Joao incident.It effectively decided the game.Now giving the Ref the benefit of the doubt he might not have seen it; but the Lino couldn’t miss it.Now he either bottled it ,or Refs tell linos before game not to give fouls,particularly in the penalty area.Without VAR linos very rarely advise Refs on penalties.Championship refs are notoriously bad; but are rarely biased.Over a season I think luck evens out.
We failed top six this season; because the players bottled it,Pauno couldn’t handle substitutions ,we didn’t bring someone in during January and Jao s form fell off a cliff.Injuries tend to even out across clubs.Swift s loss was a big handicap,but this happened to nearly every club in the division;where they lost a key player over most of the season.
by bcubed » 27 Apr 2021 10:11
Stranded If we really have had an "unlucky season" this year, then that probably just balances out the Stam play-off season a few years ago where we considered "lucky".
by Greatwesternline » 27 Apr 2021 10:28
by Snowball » 27 Apr 2021 10:54
bcubedStranded If we really have had an "unlucky season" this year, then that probably just balances out the Stam play-off season a few years ago where we considered "lucky".
Fair
I remember coming away from many games that year scratching my head wondering how the hell we won that one
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