by Hound » 19 Jul 2022 21:19
by Snowflake Royal » 19 Jul 2022 21:37
by Hound » 19 Jul 2022 22:16
by Pepe the Horseman » 19 Jul 2022 22:26
Hound Not been paying that much attention but didn’t we start 3 at the back vs WH?
by Pepe the Horseman » 19 Jul 2022 22:32
by Simon's Church » 19 Jul 2022 22:45
by Vision » 19 Jul 2022 23:34
Snowflake RoyalYorkshireRoyal99Snowflake Royal I'd rather they stay with us and get gradually introduced to our first team than let go and develop to as good / better than us elsewhere thanks.
Having watched Ward and Leavy both play in a friendly. Leavy is definitely the better option now, let alone in future. And Scott couldn't put in a much more disappointing performance than Murphy, who did nothing. And as squad players the Academy players are infinitely preferable. They are here. They are cheaper.
Games are important, but being regularly involved in Championship match day squads and getting a dozen sub appearances and half a dozen starts in the Championship, is going to be as good development as getting 20 or 30 starts in L1 training and playing with and against lesser players.
Yeah exactly I'm not saying being let go I'm saying loan them out.
As I've mentioned above, judging off one game where players are at different stages isn't exactly the best sample to go by.
You've literally mentioned half a dozen players above who all excelled by dropping down a division, developing, impressing and working their way up, not being thrown into a situation/level they perhaps weren't ready for, Jake Cooper himself is probably a good example of that. Development happens by playing and impressing at a level players can cope with first, you don't throw a learner swimmer in at the deep end straight away without armbands and say sink or swim do you.
Players we should have used and brought through and benefited from, not let go.
by royalp-we » 19 Jul 2022 23:52
by Zip » 20 Jul 2022 00:54
by royalp-we » 20 Jul 2022 01:10
by Stranded » 20 Jul 2022 07:18
by Hound » 20 Jul 2022 07:19
by blythspartan » 20 Jul 2022 07:58
royalp-we It’s all a bit disappointing. We should have seen an overhaul - not necessarily all personnel but a different approach.
We got found out last year. Not sure anyone can deny that. Feels very much like we are sleep walking in to next season to me.
Comes across like Ince is a coach and isn’t managing to find a solution or a change of approach. The club has been crying out for a change in game management but we look just the same team as when he took over imo.
Just my opinion, others may see it differently
*just to add I appreciate the club is under difficult circumstances, but as fans we are allowed to get frustrated that we see the opportunity to switch things up and make changes to the system that’s served our viewing on a weekly basis over a few management teams now. It’s tepid and pridcatable, we don’t change things up according to the opposition and most fans can pick the team sheet each week.
by Snowflake Royal » 20 Jul 2022 08:10
by Simon's Church » 20 Jul 2022 08:44
VisionSnowflake RoyalYorkshireRoyal99
Yeah exactly I'm not saying being let go I'm saying loan them out.
As I've mentioned above, judging off one game where players are at different stages isn't exactly the best sample to go by.
You've literally mentioned half a dozen players above who all excelled by dropping down a division, developing, impressing and working their way up, not being thrown into a situation/level they perhaps weren't ready for, Jake Cooper himself is probably a good example of that. Development happens by playing and impressing at a level players can cope with first, you don't throw a learner swimmer in at the deep end straight away without armbands and say sink or swim do you.
Players we should have used and brought through and benefited from, not let go.
Yeah I also think losing Cat 1 status means it’s even more important that we show there’s a clear pathway for young players to get 1st team minutes here .
One of my concerns about Ince and Bowen returning this season was that neither has particularly shown any fondness for taking a chance on young players . They both gave me the impression that they much prefer more experienced battle hardened players rather than blooding promising youngsters.
So I’m more than happy to see us discard the triallists in favour of promoting our own . If someone significantly better ( that we can afford ) comes along then so be it, but otherwise I’m on the “ keep the fringe 1st team academy players here” train.
by Stranded » 20 Jul 2022 08:44
Snowflake Royal For me, I think our biggest mistake in overhauling the squad came before the season ended. We made a big error in signing on Dann.
That's seriously limited what we can do to overhaul central defence alongside being stuck with Moore.
I'm disappointed with our unseemly haste in the goalkeeping area and think we could have done better with patience.
And I think Long won't prove very useful.
But Fornah, Hendrick, Hutchinson and the other contract extensions all seem like good deals.
At least 1 LB is an absolute must. And if we can't shift Moore, we really must shift Puscas for a couple mil.
We need to see a good 40 odd appearances across the likes of Tetek, Camara, Dorsett, Leavy, Clarke, Melvin-Lambert et al too.
by Stranded » 20 Jul 2022 08:46
Simon's ChurchVisionSnowflake Royal Players we should have used and brought through and benefited from, not let go.
Yeah I also think losing Cat 1 status means it’s even more important that we show there’s a clear pathway for young players to get 1st team minutes here .
One of my concerns about Ince and Bowen returning this season was that neither has particularly shown any fondness for taking a chance on young players . They both gave me the impression that they much prefer more experienced battle hardened players rather than blooding promising youngsters.
So I’m more than happy to see us discard the triallists in favour of promoting our own . If someone significantly better ( that we can afford ) comes along then so be it, but otherwise I’m on the “ keep the fringe 1st team academy players here” train.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, I guess they must have convinced most of them there is potentially a chance to get them to sign on but was disappointing that no Leavy, Dorsett, Camara, Scott etc involved yesterday. Would Scott or Camara not be better off playing with the first team than a 26 yr old non-league trialist?
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 20 Jul 2022 08:50
Snowflake RoyalYorkshireRoyal99Snowflake Royal I'd rather they stay with us and get gradually introduced to our first team than let go and develop to as good / better than us elsewhere thanks.
Having watched Ward and Leavy both play in a friendly. Leavy is definitely the better option now, let alone in future. And Scott couldn't put in a much more disappointing performance than Murphy, who did nothing. And as squad players the Academy players are infinitely preferable. They are here. They are cheaper.
Games are important, but being regularly involved in Championship match day squads and getting a dozen sub appearances and half a dozen starts in the Championship, is going to be as good development as getting 20 or 30 starts in L1 training and playing with and against lesser players.
Yeah exactly I'm not saying being let go I'm saying loan them out.
As I've mentioned above, judging off one game where players are at different stages isn't exactly the best sample to go by.
You've literally mentioned half a dozen players above who all excelled by dropping down a division, developing, impressing and working their way up, not being thrown into a situation/level they perhaps weren't ready for, Jake Cooper himself is probably a good example of that. Development happens by playing and impressing at a level players can cope with first, you don't throw a learner swimmer in at the deep end straight away without armbands and say sink or swim do you.
Players we should have used and brought through and benefited from, not let go.
by paultheroyal » 20 Jul 2022 09:06
by WestYorksRoyal » 20 Jul 2022 09:25
paultheroyal With where we were to where we are now i am very excited for the new season.
Keeper situation needed sorting and urgently and it looks like excellent work there. Two solid replacements have come in, Southwood will be shipped out on loan and the appointment of Tony Warner is the biggest one of them all.
Hutchison is an excellent signing. Looking at Wednesday forums they are at a loss how that has happened. If we can get any form of season out of Dann that too will be excellent. Holmes and Mcintyre are home grown and can really have proper breakout seasons if they put their head down.
Midfield has been ripped up, but lets be honest, apart from Swift goals, that midfield was powderpuff. Craft of Fornah and Hendrick along with pace and power of Ince and Hoilett sets us up nicely.
Front 3 of Meite, Joao, Long is pretty exciting and alot of teams and fans would cream themselves with that.
Clearly still work to do in certain positions but from where we were to where we are now, i for one am looking forward to next season.
Club have made some excellent internal appointments and we will see the benefit of that over the course of the season. Coupled with the fact that a connection with the fan base is back, Reading have had a damn good summer and lets hope that shows on the pitch in August.
Never forget where we were, to where we are now.
URZ.