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by Zip » 21 Aug 2022 10:15

Amid all the signings of senior players we signed John Clarke from Port Vale for our under 23’s. . Just how good is this signing going to prove to be? He only turned 18 in April. He came on yesterday and made one really good run forward before winning a foul. He put in a brilliant block near the end too. That block may well have saved a goal.

He also looked fine when he came on the other night. For his age this is very impressive.

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by Gunny Fishcake » 21 Aug 2022 10:16

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Yes agree completely with last point - streams are like sky red button - one camera angle only and its impossible to pass a proper judgement on tactics as the camera follows the ball.

I rarley post my opinions on the games anymore as I get irritated by the stream/red button crew


Royals TV has 4 camera angles, not Sky quality production but hardly one man with a camcorder.

No replacement for being there but an excellent service nonetheless. You do get a good feel for what's going on, you can form just as differing opinion in the stadium as watching online.

Yeah, TV vs stadium is the same as it's always been. Less good for off the ball related stuff and much less fun, but much better for on the ball moments in general and key incidents.

It also depends where you sit in the stadium for how well you can see game. Near the halfway line midway up the stand and you've got a pretty good view of everything. Either end of the stadium and you can't really see what happens at the other end clearly. Near the pitch and you can't really see the other side well and don't have the elevation for shape and off the ball stuff.


If you were there yesterday and anywhere near Y24 you'd have seen the priceless moment when Boro had a corner and their player kicked the flag post instead of the ball , which rolled forward a few yards, Boro player stopped we nicked the ball , ref played on the Boro player then clattered our lad to the floor for a foul....the reaction from the crowd and the laughter you only get by being there

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by Zip » 21 Aug 2022 10:18

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Royals TV has 4 camera angles, not Sky quality production but hardly one man with a camcorder.

No replacement for being there but an excellent service nonetheless. You do get a good feel for what's going on, you can form just as differing opinion in the stadium as watching online.

Yeah, TV vs stadium is the same as it's always been. Less good for off the ball related stuff and much less fun, but much better for on the ball moments in general and key incidents.

It also depends where you sit in the stadium for how well you can see game. Near the halfway line midway up the stand and you've got a pretty good view of everything. Either end of the stadium and you can't really see what happens at the other end clearly. Near the pitch and you can't really see the other side well and don't have the elevation for shape and off the ball stuff.


If you were there yesterday and anywhere near Y24 you'd have seen the priceless moment when Boro had a corner and their player kicked the flag post instead of the ball , which rolled forward a few yards, Boro player stopped we nicked the ball , ref played on the Boro player then clattered our lad to the floor for a foul....the reaction from the crowd and the laughter you only get by being there


That was hilarious because our player didn’t know what to do initially and stood off before moving in

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by windermereROYAL » 21 Aug 2022 10:43

The highest possession we`ve had in 3 home games is 39% vs Cardiff it was 27% yesterday, brilliant to get 3 wins, but if we keep giving away 70% the better teams will certainly hurt us.
Yes there is an excuse because there were some tired legs out there,, but we need to get in faces in the middle of the park like we did so effectively during the week.

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by The Royal Forester » 21 Aug 2022 10:46

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AthleticoSpizz Bouzanis, poor kicking?

What angle did you watch your tv from?
From the ground….

His kicking (normally whilst being put under pressure) was pretty much spot-on.

Couple of crucial saves and claims

Happy with this #2 keeper

Hoilett 8/10 was brilliant in the first half


I was shocked at that comment too. We actually commented how good his kicking was. Funny how some see things totally differently

I have always felt that the reason why people see things differently in a player is because of the first impression he gives to you. If a good impression, you notice his good actions, if average to bad impression, you are more likely to notice the mistakes/bad actions.


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by Hound » 21 Aug 2022 10:48

windermereROYAL The highest possession we`ve had in 3 home games is 39% vs Cardiff it was 27% yesterday, brilliant to get 3 wins, but if we keep giving away 70% the better teams will certainly hurt us.
Yes there is an excuse because there were some tired legs out there,, but we need to get in faces in the middle of the park like we did so effectively during the week.


Maybe. Though for 70 mins against cardiff, 90 against Blackburn and first half yesterday we were by far the better side in each, giving up only about 2-3 shots on target in all that time , only one of which threatened (the Lumley save)

Even the second half yesterday they very rarely got near the goal

I’m sure the possession stays will move more towards the 40s when we get a few more players back and can be a bit more expansive

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by The Real Sandhurst Royal » 21 Aug 2022 10:59

The defensive shape of the side was excellent the players all new what they had to do. This made Boro over play the ball time and time again when they needed to take risk now an then as the game went on. Yaidom and Hollett worked there socks off in the defensive system,. Ince, Loum and Fornah just get better every game they play.

Bouzanis kicks for me went to high giving time for the Boro's defenders to get set and clear easily, Long and Joao never got a look in.

Fantastic strike (a bullet) from Fornah to win the game for us.
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by YorkshireRoyal99 » 21 Aug 2022 11:16

Great week overall, back-to-back home wins and clean sheets will be massive for not only the goalkeepers' confidence, but the defence's and the teams and was much needed after last week's horror show.

Different type of wins, but more importantly, we are finally starting to look like a proper team. Working hard for each other, battling well, we can press well like against Blackburn but stay tight and compact like yesterday. A really bad day at Rotherham last week, but other than that, it's been a very good start.

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by Snowflake Royal » 21 Aug 2022 11:37

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Royals TV has 4 camera angles, not Sky quality production but hardly one man with a camcorder.

No replacement for being there but an excellent service nonetheless. You do get a good feel for what's going on, you can form just as differing opinion in the stadium as watching online.

Yeah, TV vs stadium is the same as it's always been. Less good for off the ball related stuff and much less fun, but much better for on the ball moments in general and key incidents.

It also depends where you sit in the stadium for how well you can see game. Near the halfway line midway up the stand and you've got a pretty good view of everything. Either end of the stadium and you can't really see what happens at the other end clearly. Near the pitch and you can't really see the other side well and don't have the elevation for shape and off the ball stuff.


If you were there yesterday and anywhere near Y24 you'd have seen the priceless moment when Boro had a corner and their player kicked the flag post instead of the ball , which rolled forward a few yards, Boro player stopped we nicked the ball , ref played on the Boro player then clattered our lad to the floor for a foul....the reaction from the crowd and the laughter you only get by being there

It was captured quite nicely, if it at quite a long distance, by RoyalsTV. But yeah, the lols must have been a thing to enjoy at the stadium. :lol:


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by 3points » 21 Aug 2022 11:41

Possession stats are also seemingly skewed when defending a lead. If a side is chasing a game you’d expect them to have the ball more. Though 27% is low in any circumstance. But, as Stam proved, possession isn’t everything. When Leicester won the PL didn’t they have possession in the high 30s throughout the course of the season?

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by Snowflake Royal » 21 Aug 2022 11:42

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AthleticoSpizz Bouzanis, poor kicking?

What angle did you watch your tv from?
From the ground….

His kicking (normally whilst being put under pressure) was pretty much spot-on.

Couple of crucial saves and claims

Happy with this #2 keeper

Hoilett 8/10 was brilliant in the first half


I was shocked at that comment too. We actually commented how good his kicking was. Funny how some see things totally differently

I have always felt that the reason why people see things differently in a player is because of the first impression he gives to you. If a good impression, you notice his good actions, if average to bad impression, you are more likely to notice the mistakes/bad actions.

I think there may partly be a misunderstanding. When you say a keeper's kicking is poor, it often means poor technique, it's too flat and through players, it goes straight out or it doesn't carry far enough.

In this case I felt his kicking was too often too long, not near enough his target, or onto a head when there was no one to flick on to.

It was certainly an increasing trend as the game went on that our direct balls forward, across the whole team, were not going to the right places.

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by AthleticoSpizz » 21 Aug 2022 12:28

As already stated, a lot of his kicking was carried-out whilst being put under pressure….nice to see that he can use both feet.
Yes some of the kicking went deep into the oppositions half, but still normally achieved a hooped shirt, allbeit not one in the best position to make much of it.

And yes, he (especially in the second half) sometimes kicked too far in front of our cf’s, but also a lot of that very same thing came from our back line desperately clearing it.

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by YorkshireRoyal99 » 21 Aug 2022 12:30

3points Possession stats are also seemingly skewed when defending a lead. If a side is chasing a game you’d expect them to have the ball more. Though 27% is low in any circumstance. But, as Stam proved, possession isn’t everything. When Leicester won the PL didn’t they have possession in the high 30s throughout the course of the season?


Ironically it seemed we had even less of the ball up until we scored, I think it was 20-80 at that point. In a season that we all expect to have, possession is overrated. If we grind out 1-0 wins like that throughout the season and survive, then I'll be happy.


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by blythspartan » 21 Aug 2022 12:36

When we got beat 7-1 at Norwich back in 2017 didn’t we have about 80% possession? It means bugger all if you can’t do anything with it.

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by Zip » 21 Aug 2022 12:41

blythspartan When we got beat 7-1 at Norwich back in 2017 didn’t we have about 80% possession? It means bugger all if you can’t do anything with it.



Good point although we had 56% possession that day

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by Snowflake Royal » 21 Aug 2022 12:53

AthleticoSpizz As already stated, a lot of his kicking was carried-out whilst being put under pressure….nice to see that he can use both feet.
Yes some of the kicking went deep into the oppositions half, but still normally achieved a hooped shirt, allbeit not one in the best position to make much of it.

And yes, he (especially in the second half) sometimes kicked too far in front of our cf’s, but also a lot of that very same thing came from our back line desperately clearing it.

Cool, so we saw the same thing, not different things, you just excuse it more than I did.

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by AthleticoSpizz » 21 Aug 2022 12:54

Not quite

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by Snowflake Royal » 21 Aug 2022 12:58

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blythspartan When we got beat 7-1 at Norwich back in 2017 didn’t we have about 80% possession? It means bugger all if you can’t do anything with it.



Good point although we had 56% possession that day

I think it's safe to say that regularly getting less than 40% possession at home is very unlikely to sustain positive results for long.

As we've seen in the past, having 50-60 % possession doesn’t do you much good if its all slow and in your half. But much more than that and it is likely to start to tell.

There's a reason it's usually noteworthy when a team wins with less than 40% possession... it's not very common.

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Re: BFTG/TV - M'bro H

by Stranded » 21 Aug 2022 13:15

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blythspartan When we got beat 7-1 at Norwich back in 2017 didn’t we have about 80% possession? It means bugger all if you can’t do anything with it.



Good point although we had 56% possession that day

I think it's safe to say that regularly getting less than 40% possession at home is very unlikely to sustain positive results for long.

As we've seen in the past, having 50-60 % possession doesn’t do you much good if its all slow and in your half. But much more than that and it is likely to start to tell.

There's a reason it's usually noteworthy when a team wins with less than 40% possession... it's not very common.


Surely it depends where they and we have the possession. 30% possession with say 80% of it in their half is better than 70% with 80% in your own half or midfield.

Agree it is not ideal though but would love to see where teams have the ball against us. It feels like in the last couple of games we have tended to have the ball more further up the park. Perhaps not so much 2nd half yesterday but 1st half certainly.

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Re: BFTG/TV - M'bro H

by Zip » 21 Aug 2022 13:41

One thing we have to be careful of is the number of yellow cards we are picking up
Nine in the past two games. With a thin squad we could pick up suspensions. It does come with the territory of having more physical and streetwise players

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