BFTG Wigan

[Snowflake Royal]

In my opinion Hunt is not up to the job in the long run.

Of course he isn’t. Even with the new manager honeymoon bounce and relegation fight we’re rubbish. We should have *comfortably* demolished Wigan.

Your comment sounds like a Millsy Shitjoke but the sad fact is you say it because with Dai it’s a real possibility. It won’t prevent clueless idiot Dai just take the easy option and keep him on, or worse still get some nobody from abroad or new to management, or a has been failure. To think that we could have had obvious choices like Ainsworth or Warnoc

Stopped reading there. I'll take Dai's judgement over anyone who would consider Warnock.

We haven't been able to pay a fee so Ainsworth was never an option for us. And it's not like he has a good record in the Championship.

That's the reason why there's a chance Hunt might get the job - the only options are internal appointments, or unemployed people who actually want it.

You can hate Warnock all you like, but if you can't recognise he's an excellent manager who could have done a good job for us, you're barmy.

[loyalroyal4life]

Fair play to Warnock, gone and done it again! The road back to the second tier is going to be a long one until we get our house in order

[Winston Biscuit]

Scrappy game, wouldn't have looked out of place in a division lower.

My main takeaway from the game was the 4 people sitting behind us who's language and behaviour was beyond belief. We had an 8 year old with us attending only his 2nd game but there were loads of other kids around us too, some younger than 8.

The 4 people behind us couldn't say a single sentence to each other without it being shouted and including multiple swears every time. The constant air of anger from them towards anything happening on the pitch was weird and not easy to listen to. The amount of c bombs litering everything they said was bewildering, and the bit when one of them decided he was going to shout that every single player individually on our team was a 'f***ing c**t' and gave it a try was awful to hear, but it peaked when the oldest one of their group (mid 50's maybe) was jumping up and down like a child having a tantrum, banging his seat up and down, even seemingly punching his seat at times, whilst screaming 'you f***ing useless c**ts' over and over at the top of his voice when we missed a chance in the 2nd half. He genuinely looked at times like a person completely out of control.

I don't mind a swear, when you take kids to football you need to accept in advance that they are going to hear some choice language. But yesterday those 4 behind us were way, way beyond anything that I have ever heard at football, and I have been going for more than 30 years.

Not sure if it was me or the youngster with us who was more in a state of anxiety to the point of struggling to concentrate on the game during the 2nd half.

That's appalling and sorry to hear this. Where were you sat?

I get that tempers and frustrations boil over and this is the worst era in the club for a quarter of a century but I don't see what that behaviour really achieves. Whilst not condoning that kind of behaviour it is a bit of a shame that it wasn't in front of Dai Yongge! He needs to see that the fans aren't tolerating what's been going on. He has got away with so much with little criticism until recently.

Y25. A few rows from the front. Would have gone elsewhere but could only make a late decision on attendance so this is all that was left for us to sit together

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Don't keep Hunt in the job, he's just as bad, if not worse, than Ince.

I don't understand why people still talk about Warnock, it was never an option. We had a manager who was doing ok at the time he was available and when we could have got him, before Ince arrived, it didn't matter as we had survived with Ince anyway. It's all well and good looking in hindsight, if every club could do the same, we'd probably still be about where we are now because we are just so poor.

About yesterday, a point does make a difference potentially, but we are just really poor. So little creativity and quality from open play and we are just scrapping around for set pieces. Hopefully though, all of this won't make a jolt of difference come next Monday, because we can play as good or as shite as we like, if we win, we are safe (assuming Huddersfield lose in the week of course).

[Royal_jimmy]

In my opinion Hunt is not up to the job in the long run.

Of course he isn’t. Even with the new manager honeymoon bounce and relegation fight we’re rubbish. We should have *comfortably* demolished Wigan.

Your comment sounds like a Millsy Shitjoke but the sad fact is you say it because with Dai it’s a real possibility. It won’t prevent clueless idiot Dai just take the easy option and keep him on, or worse still get some nobody from abroad or new to management, or a has been failure. To think that we could have had obvious choices like Ainsworth or Warnoc

Stopped reading there. I'll take Dai's judgement over anyone who would consider Warnock.

We haven't been able to pay a fee so Ainsworth was never an option for us. And it's not like he has a good record in the Championship.

That's the reason why there's a chance Hunt might get the job - the only options are internal appointments, or unemployed people who actually want it.

According to Bowen we've had 65 applications for the managers job

[Royal_jimmy]

Scrappy game, wouldn't have looked out of place in a division lower.

My main takeaway from the game was the 4 people sitting behind us who's language and behaviour was beyond belief. We had an 8 year old with us attending only his 2nd game but there were loads of other kids around us too, some younger than 8.

The 4 people behind us couldn't say a single sentence to each other without it being shouted and including multiple swears every time. The constant air of anger from them towards anything happening on the pitch was weird and not easy to listen to. The amount of c bombs litering everything they said was bewildering, and the bit when one of them decided he was going to shout that every single player individually on our team was a 'f***ing c**t' and gave it a try was awful to hear, but it peaked when the oldest one of their group (mid 50's maybe) was jumping up and down like a child having a tantrum, banging his seat up and down, even seemingly punching his seat at times, whilst screaming 'you f***ing useless c**ts' over and over at the top of his voice when we missed a chance in the 2nd half. He genuinely looked at times like a person completely out of control.

I don't mind a swear, when you take kids to football you need to accept in advance that they are going to hear some choice language. But yesterday those 4 behind us were way, way beyond anything that I have ever heard at football, and I have been going for more than 30 years.

Not sure if it was me or the youngster with us who was more in a state of anxiety to the point of struggling to concentrate on the game during the 2nd half.

That's appalling and sorry to hear this. Where were you sat?

I get that tempers and frustrations boil over and this is the worst era in the club for a quarter of a century but I don't see what that behaviour really achieves. Whilst not condoning that kind of behaviour it is a bit of a shame that it wasn't in front of Dai Yongge! He needs to see that the fans aren't tolerating what's been going on. He has got away with so much with little criticism until recently.

Y25. A few rows from the front. Would have gone elsewhere but could only make a late decision on attendance so this is all that was left for us to sit together

I used to sit near there before moving after getting fed up with the people around me

[tmesis]

Of course he isn’t. Even with the new manager honeymoon bounce and relegation fight we’re rubbish. We should have *comfortably* demolished Wigan.

Your comment sounds like a Millsy Shitjoke but the sad fact is you say it because with Dai it’s a real possibility. It won’t prevent clueless idiot Dai just take the easy option and keep him on, or worse still get some nobody from abroad or new to management, or a has been failure. To think that we could have had obvious choices like Ainsworth or Warnoc

Stopped reading there. I'll take Dai's judgement over anyone who would consider Warnock.

We haven't been able to pay a fee so Ainsworth was never an option for us. And it's not like he has a good record in the Championship.

That's the reason why there's a chance Hunt might get the job - the only options are internal appointments, or unemployed people who actually want it.

According to Bowen we've had 65 applications for the managers job

Sadly 64 of those will be sad cases still thinking it'd be funny to apply because they've won the premier league with Reading on Football Manager. The other will be Ian Holloway.

[tmesis]

The 4 people behind us couldn't say a single sentence to each other without it being shouted and including multiple swears every time. The constant air of anger from them towards anything happening on the pitch was weird and not easy to listen to. The amount of c bombs litering everything they said was bewildering, and the bit when one of them decided he was going to shout that every single player individually on our team was a 'f***ing c**t' and gave it a try was awful to hear.

There's a lad towards the back of Y25 who shouts the word c*** so regularly you almost wonder if he tourettes. Strangely, he wasn't that vocal yesterday.

[SCIAG]

Of course he isn’t. Even with the new manager honeymoon bounce and relegation fight we’re rubbish. We should have *comfortably* demolished Wigan.

Your comment sounds like a Millsy Shitjoke but the sad fact is you say it because with Dai it’s a real possibility. It won’t prevent clueless idiot Dai just take the easy option and keep him on, or worse still get some nobody from abroad or new to management, or a has been failure. To think that we could have had obvious choices like Ainsworth or Warnoc

Stopped reading there. I'll take Dai's judgement over anyone who would consider Warnock.

We haven't been able to pay a fee so Ainsworth was never an option for us. And it's not like he has a good record in the Championship.

That's the reason why there's a chance Hunt might get the job - the only options are internal appointments, or unemployed people who actually want it.

You can hate Warnock all you like, but if you can't recognise he's an excellent manager who could have done a good job for us, you're barmy.

On one hand it doesn't matter. He could manage us to the Champions League, if he did it by getting us to play his "kick the opposition and harass referees" style then I wouldn't be happy. I'm somebody who thought we lacked discipline under Brian McDermott, and Warnock is much worse. The values and style of the club are more important than results. I'm also not sure what our players who have picked up injuries against Warnock's sides would think of him, or our players who were fans when his side effectively ended Jem Karacan's career.

On the other hand, he's not even especially good any longer. Like, yeah, OK, back in the days when he got Sheffield United, Palace and QPR promoted in successive jobs then you could say he was a Championship specialist who got results. Since 2012, he's only twice finished the season above Reading; you don't need me to tell you that we've been an omnishambles and seen a procession of managers who, I think it's fair to say, you think were not good at their jobs. Warnock was sacked from Cardiff because, even with parachute payments, he was leading them to mid-table, only three points ahead of Jose Gomes' Reading - they went on to finish 5th. Similar circumstances at Middlesbrough - they finished 7th.

He's not Diego Simeone. He's slightly less good than the average Reading manager from the past decade. And yeah I say that knowing full well that he'll probably survive this season and we won't.

[Snowball]

That was league one quality football today, no cutting edge. Didn't look like scoring and no magic.

12 games without a win and 5 consecutive draws at home shows that we deserve relegation.

What we lacked today was belief that we can score goals and actually win a game!! Thanks to Ince's extremally negative tactics, and playing players out of position resulting in this huge winless run we really have forgotten how to attack and win a game.

We are slowly moving in the right direction and you could see today that Noel is trying to make the team more attack minded but this just doesn't happen overnight especially with our poor run.

Ince sucked the life and soul out of this team and it may well take relegation to get back to the reading of old.

I'm starting to like the back four and if we can keep them together next season we should be able to build from the back. Sarr has improved lots recently with a run of games and is starting to look a player. TMac had a good game in midfield and maybe there is a midfielder in there somewhere!
Hopefully results go our way next week and we have something to play for at Huddersfield, would like to see Fornah moved into CM instead of Hendrick who is far to negative a player for me.
Overall, continued slow improvement and something to build on. Great atmosphere by the way....the fans are really buying into this battle.

If only Ince had trusted a back four!!!

Yeah, worth noting that in Hunt's four games, we've only conceded 4 goals with a back 4. We were conceding more with the back 5 PInce said we had to have because we weren’t good enough.

And we've scored 3 despite being shot.

And three top-six clubs

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Stopped reading there. I'll take Dai's judgement over anyone who would consider Warnock.

We haven't been able to pay a fee so Ainsworth was never an option for us. And it's not like he has a good record in the Championship.

That's the reason why there's a chance Hunt might get the job - the only options are internal appointments, or unemployed people who actually want it.

You can hate Warnock all you like, but if you can't recognise he's an excellent manager who could have done a good job for us, you're barmy.

On one hand it doesn't matter. He could manage us to the Champions League, if he did it by getting us to play his "kick the opposition and harass referees" style then I wouldn't be happy. I'm somebody who thought we lacked discipline under Brian McDermott, and Warnock is much worse. The values and style of the club are more important than results. I'm also not sure what our players who have picked up injuries against Warnock's sides would think of him, or our players who were fans when his side effectively ended Jem Karacan's career.

On the other hand, he's not even especially good any longer. Like, yeah, OK, back in the days when he got Sheffield United, Palace and QPR promoted in successive jobs then you could say he was a Championship specialist who got results. Since 2012, he's only twice finished the season above Reading; you don't need me to tell you that we've been an omnishambles and seen a procession of managers who, I think it's fair to say, you think were not good at their jobs. Warnock was sacked from Cardiff because, even with parachute payments, he was leading them to mid-table, only three points ahead of Jose Gomes' Reading - they went on to finish 5th. Similar circumstances at Middlesbrough - they finished 7th.

He's not Diego Simeone. He's slightly less good than the average Reading manager from the past decade. And yeah I say that knowing full well that he'll probably survive this season and we won't.

Not a bad summary, people who want Warnock would have got pretty much the same as what we've got now. He'd have kept us up last season, just like Ince, and he'd have got sacked this season following a string of poor results. If he stays on at Huddersfield, he will get sacked next season when they are bottom of the table again somewhere around midway through the season, assuming that they stay up.

[Millsy]

In my opinion Hunt is not up to the job in the long run.

Of course he isn’t. Even with the new manager honeymoon bounce and relegation fight we’re rubbish. We should have *comfortably* demolished Wigan.

Your comment sounds like a Millsy Shitjoke but the sad fact is you say it because with Dai it’s a real possibility. It won’t prevent clueless idiot Dai just take the easy option and keep him on, or worse still get some nobody from abroad or new to management, or a has been failure. To think that we could have had obvious choices like Ainsworth or Warnoc

Stopped reading there. I'll take Dai's judgement over anyone who would consider Warnock.

Literally

Enjoy League One while Warnock’s side enjoys the Champ.

You seriously would have Ince (Dais judgement) over him? I’m speechless.

[SCIAG]

Of course he isn’t. Even with the new manager honeymoon bounce and relegation fight we’re rubbish. We should have *comfortably* demolished Wigan.

Your comment sounds like a Millsy Shitjoke but the sad fact is you say it because with Dai it’s a real possibility. It won’t prevent clueless idiot Dai just take the easy option and keep him on, or worse still get some nobody from abroad or new to management, or a has been failure. To think that we could have had obvious choices like Ainsworth or Warnoc

Stopped reading there. I'll take Dai's judgement over anyone who would consider Warnock.

Literally

Enjoy League One while Warnock’s side enjoys the Champ.

You seriously would have Ince (Dais judgement) over him? I’m speechless.

As I said, values are more important to me than success. I'm a Reading fan. If I wanted to win at all costs I'd support Man City... or maybe Real Madrid are a better example.

So yes, I'd much rather have a decent but incompetent bloke over Warnock.

By the way, Paul Ince at Reading - 31% win rate. Neil Warnock at Huddersfield - 35% win rate.

[Royal_jimmy]

Warnock is a divisive character, but football is a results game. I'd have had him if it means we finish higher in the league which based on his record (which speaks for itself), we probably would have done.

[Orion1871]

Of course he isn’t. Even with the new manager honeymoon bounce and relegation fight we’re rubbish. We should have *comfortably* demolished Wigan.

Your comment sounds like a Millsy Shitjoke but the sad fact is you say it because with Dai it’s a real possibility. It won’t prevent clueless idiot Dai just take the easy option and keep him on, or worse still get some nobody from abroad or new to management, or a has been failure. To think that we could have had obvious choices like Ainsworth or Warnoc

Stopped reading there. I'll take Dai's judgement over anyone who would consider Warnock.

Literally

Enjoy League One while Warnock’s side enjoys the Champ.

You seriously would have Ince (Dais judgement) over him? I’m speechless.

I'd rather have a competent forward thinking manager than either of those two dinosaurs. The only difference between them is one of them is relatively successful dinosaur and the other is Paul Ince. If Warnock was here we'd still play the same lump it up to Carroll shit Ince did.

Plus, this is Reading. Knowing us we'd be the club that he didn't keep up. Most likely because he'd relegate us on purpose.

[Hound]

He’d have got us safe I expect but hardly an answer to any long term questions

For all the ill feeling to ince he did get us points on the board and I do feel helped put the current structure in place. Warnock wouldn’t have bothered with that

[SCIAG]

Warnock is a divisive character, but football is a results game. I'd have had him if it means we finish higher in the league which based on his record (which speaks for itself), we probably would have done.

Again, Warnock has only finished above us twice in the last 10 years, despite everything we've been through.

[Lower West]

Again, Warnock has only finished above us twice in the last 10 years, despite everything we've been through.

Reflection of the falling standard of Championship football and the widening gulf between the leagues. Even good managers cannot polish turds.

[Millsy]

Stopped reading there. I'll take Dai's judgement over anyone who would consider Warnock.

Literally

Enjoy League One while Warnock’s side enjoys the Champ.

You seriously would have Ince (Dais judgement) over him? I’m speechless.

As I said, values are more important to me than success. I'm a Reading fan. If I wanted to win at all costs I'd support Man City... or maybe Real Madrid are a better example.

So yes, I'd much rather have a decent but incompetent bloke over Warnock.

I do hear you but I disagree. As you know I like Ince and would love him to have succeeded. I'm the only sucker to dedicate a post on HNA to appreciating him despite rumours that he's actually quite an arrogant so and so. And re: Warnock I have also convinced myself with very little evidence, like most here, that he's a horrible person. But hell I'd even have Parj or McGhee back if it meant staying up.

Dai might also agree with you and might be good at getting nice people in over competent people, but again that's my point. Nice if he was my church minister perhaps, or head of a charity. But this is a cutthroat business worth tens of millions with loads of jobs and livelihoods depending on it, not to mention tens of thousands of fans whose lives and sense of happiness is affected by it. So as I say perhaps a nice guy for wanting to choose nice people. But an utterly clueless joke of a businessman, typical of 'successful' people from corrupt countries.

And is that really that nice a thing to do in the long run? Are you happy with the fact that there will be families across Reading in these difficult financial times devastated by losing their jobs as Reading are relegated. Do you still take the moral high ground in that situation?

Screw that anyway. Dai has been bloody abysmal and we all know it's not because he bought the hype of 'colin' and that alleged stamp gesture (almost certainly not what we think it was anyway). He just didn't have a clue and went with the cheap and easy and ludicrous option as usual. Let's not pretend morals were the reason here even if you take that position.

[leon]

Scrappy game, wouldn't have looked out of place in a division lower.

My main takeaway from the game was the 4 people sitting behind us who's language and behaviour was beyond belief. We had an 8 year old with us attending only his 2nd game but there were loads of other kids around us too, some younger than 8.

The 4 people behind us couldn't say a single sentence to each other without it being shouted and including multiple swears every time. The constant air of anger from them towards anything happening on the pitch was weird and not easy to listen to. The amount of c bombs litering everything they said was bewildering, and the bit when one of them decided he was going to shout that every single player individually on our team was a 'f***ing c**t' and gave it a try was awful to hear, but it peaked when the oldest one of their group (mid 50's maybe) was jumping up and down like a child having a tantrum, banging his seat up and down, even seemingly punching his seat at times, whilst screaming 'you f***ing useless c**ts' over and over at the top of his voice when we missed a chance in the 2nd half. He genuinely looked at times like a person completely out of control.

I don't mind a swear, when you take kids to football you need to accept in advance that they are going to hear some choice language. But yesterday those 4 behind us were way, way beyond anything that I have ever heard at football, and I have been going for more than 30 years.

Not sure if it was me or the youngster with us who was more in a state of anxiety to the point of struggling to concentrate on the game during the 2nd half.

I was in Wales so I’m not sure who you’re talking about.

V confused.