#SellBeforeWeDai (to someone fit and proper)“ supporters action group

[tmesis]

Spose the "Who will you support If the club folds" thread is suddenly becoming reality.

Sod that. IN! for the phoenix adventure climbing the pyramid. AFC Wimbledon hold the record for fastest climb from the bottom into the EFL, with 9 years. That's the target to beat.

They, rather handily, had a decent ground to use from the start.

To have similar, we'd probably need to groundshare at Maidenhead.

History has shown that clubs without a decent ground to play in find it much harder. If we were forced to play at Scours Lane, for example, things would be tough.

[Lower West]

I suspect the Truth is somewhere in the middle ground, as usual.

The whistleblowers really can't attest to Dai's intentions. Realistically how is almost anyone who might be a whistleblower going to be in a position to know that Dai doesn't want to sell and instead wants to asset strip?

Bowen and Selles can barely get hold of him.

Not to mention some of them are contradictory to a degree.

Never return to Cat1 status is a nonsense. All it takes is the will to do it and the money to fund it.

That's not to say that they aren't informative of the lack of confidence at the club in Dai, his bad running of the club and damage he can and probably will still do.

As for Pang's statement, it does indeed show we've gone backwards from Bowen's update in late Oct / early November where we were a couple of weeks from.signing exclusivity and might have completed the sale in January.

Now we're back to inviting new interested parties to get in touch.

Every option will be on the table. At the moment it's just survival. Those wishing to buy the club are equally likely to be playing hardball as Dai is. Far too easy for emotion and self interest to cloud the reality of what's going on behind the scenes. Whatever somebody says officially these days simply gets trashed on social media these days. The world has become a circus. The reality is that the truth will be hidden behind non disclosure agreements.

[morganb]

How is invading the pitch/throwing tennis balls/wearing black going to convince Dai to accept £5 million less or for a buyer to pay £5 million more as surely that's all they are interested in rather that what the fans do?

[Sutekh]

How is invading the pitch/throwing tennis balls/wearing black going to convince Dai to accept £5 million less or for a buyer to pay £5 million more as surely that's all they are interested in rather that what the fans do?

It's not. Nothing legal that fans can do will accelerate the process. They can only make themselves feel better that they're drawing attention to the club's situation but even then there comes a point when the rest of football just goes and has had enough.

[Stranded]

How is invading the pitch/throwing tennis balls/wearing black going to convince Dai to accept £5 million less or for a buyer to pay £5 million more as surely that's all they are interested in rather that what the fans do?

It's not. Nothing legal that fans can do will accelerate the process.

Talk of abandonments is simply a bunch of people on Twitter trying to make themselves feel better. Which is fine.

The reality is that it will have zero positive impact and may have a negative one, so is totally counter-productive.

[Orion1871]

Bring back theme days.

Taiwan is a country day. Reading fans show their support for Taiwan.

Uyghur freedom day. Reading fans show their support for the Ugyhur people in China.

Winnie the Pooh day. Reading fans dress as Winnie the Pooh or eat honey or something, I don't know.

Of course President Xi may not be sitting down on a Saturday to watch a League 1 relegation battle.

[WestYorksRoyal]

How is invading the pitch/throwing tennis balls/wearing black going to convince Dai to accept £5 million less or for a buyer to pay £5 million more as surely that's all they are interested in rather that what the fans do?

It's not. Nothing legal that fans can do will accelerate the process. They can only make themselves feel better that they're drawing attention to the club's situation but even then there comes a point when the rest of football just goes and has had enough.

The reality is there's nothing we can do. The SBWD campaign has done as much as we can ask; media attention, parliamentary debate, protected the stadium, disruption. It hasn't worked. If he doesn't want to sell, nothing we can do can force him. So abandoning games is pointless.

[paultheroyal]

Organised protests have been a relative success with the main one being profile and raising awareness.

With this latest announcement and looking at comments on Twitter etc I sense it will now get out of control and go very rogue. At that point it could get very embarrassing for the club and its fan base.

Can see a scenario tomorrow where a few idiots with the wrong intentions will run on the pitch, coupled with a few more. Game will stop, players will walk off and there is probably an instruction already issued to the referee to abandon the game. You will then have about 20 fans on pitch, others contemplating going on with everyone else booing those who have gone on the pitch. It could all become very toxic very quickly and the plight of the club would be shown in the wrong way.

I have no answers myself but can’t see, at this point causing an abandonment is the answer. Let the players play, and perhaps a controlled walk on the pitch and protest after the game is an answer. Chant and shout in front of the directors box. This can be repeated and stepped up if necessary.

Just fear this will go rogue very quickly, support will be lost and it will be even more than the utter mess it’s already in.

[Clyde1998]

Bring back theme days.

Taiwan is a country day. Reading fans show their support for Taiwan.

Uyghur freedom day. Reading fans show their support for the Ugyhur people in China.

Winnie the Pooh day. Reading fans dress as Winnie the Pooh or eat honey or something, I don't know.

Of course President Xi may not be sitting down on a Saturday to watch a League 1 relegation battle.

Tibet independence day will be fun. We play Wycombe at home on the 9th March, one day before Tibetan Uprising Day.

[Stranded]

Organised protests have been a relative success with the main one being profile and raising awareness.

With this latest announcement and looking at comments on Twitter etc I sense it will now get out of control and go very rogue. At that point it could get very embarrassing for the club and its fan base.

Can see a scenario tomorrow where a few idiots with the wrong intentions will run on the pitch, coupled with a few more. Game will stop, players will walk off and there is probably an instruction already issued to the referee to abandon the game. You will then have about 20 fans on pitch, others contemplating going on with everyone else booing those who have gone on the pitch. It could all become very toxic very quickly and the plight of the club would be shown in the wrong way.

I have no answers myself but can’t see, at this point causing an abandonment is the answer. Let the players play, and perhaps a controlled walk on the pitch and protest after the game is an answer. Chant and shout in front of the directors box. This can be repeated and stepped up if necessary.

Just fear this will go rogue very quickly, support will be lost and it will be even more than the utter mess it’s already in.

Can't disagree with this. The protests to date have pretty much unified the fanbase. Attempts to abandon games will absolutely threaten that.

[windermereROYAL]

A few fans on the pitch can easily be removed, a few hundred less so. It`s clear no protests get inside of that cunts head, our club is on life support and he has the ability to flick that switch and turn it off.
Worrying times indeed.

[NathStPaul]

A few fans on the pitch can easily be removed, a few hundred less so. It`s clear no protests get inside of that cunts head, our club is on life support and he has the ability to flick that switch and turn it off.
Worrying times indeed.

Watch your language please.

[WestYorksRoyal]

I've lost hope now. November was the moment. We'd had months of speculation and managed to get 5 offers of substance on the table. The open goal to extract what value he could was there for Dai. He chose not to. Fcuk knows where we go from here, whether it's a quick death or years more miserable stagnation. But there are no reasons for hope.

[Snowflake Royal]

I've lost hope now. November was the moment. We'd had months of speculation and managed to get 5 offers of substance on the table. The open goal to extract what value he could was there for Dai. He chose not to. Fcuk knows where we go from here, whether it's a quick death or years more miserable stagnation. But there are no reasons for hope.

Pretty sure it'll be quick.

Increasingly we seem to not be paying suppliers, which means sooner or later we'll rack up enough for someone other than Dai to push us into Admin, but probably not soon enough to beat the FL managing to bar him from owning us.

[WestYorksRoyal]

I've lost hope now. November was the moment. We'd had months of speculation and managed to get 5 offers of substance on the table. The open goal to extract what value he could was there for Dai. He chose not to. Fcuk knows where we go from here, whether it's a quick death or years more miserable stagnation. But there are no reasons for hope.

Pretty sure it'll be quick.

Increasingly we seem to not be paying suppliers, which means sooner or later we'll rack up enough for someone other than Dai to push us into Admin, but probably not soon enough to beat the FL managing to bar him from owning us.

Nope, unsecured creditors can't place us into administration. The EFL banning Dai is the more likely route.

[Chameleon]

How is invading the pitch/throwing tennis balls/wearing black going to convince Dai to accept £5 million less or for a buyer to pay £5 million more as surely that's all they are interested in rather that what the fans do?

The only real chance the club has is to get enough political attention we get managed through it. How to get attention? Be on the front page of BBC Sport...

Also I'd argue abandonments make it more likely for the EFL to go for banning Dai, and consequently the adjudicator accepting the sanction.

[Stranded]

How is invading the pitch/throwing tennis balls/wearing black going to convince Dai to accept £5 million less or for a buyer to pay £5 million more as surely that's all they are interested in rather that what the fans do?

The only real chance the club has is to get enough political attention we get managed through it. How to get attention? Be on the front page of BBC Sport...

Also I'd argue abandonments make it more likely for the EFL to go for banning Dai, and consequently the adjudicator accepting the sanction.

Being on the front page of BBC Sport won't help much if it is a negative story. Protests have to be at the man, not the club.

If match is abandoned by fan action, one or more of the following will happen:

Game awarded as 3-0 to Vale.
Points potentially deducted
1 or 2 games to be played behind closed doors if risk of a repeat considered high enough.

What it won't do, is make him sell.

I'm all for demos but forced abandonment is, for me, just about some people wanting to "feel better" about things. There is close to zero positive outcome from doing it.

[Brogue]

How is invading the pitch/throwing tennis balls/wearing black going to convince Dai to accept £5 million less or for a buyer to pay £5 million more as surely that's all they are interested in rather that what the fans do?

The only real chance the club has is to get enough political attention we get managed through it. How to get attention? Be on the front page of BBC Sport...

Also I'd argue abandonments make it more likely for the EFL to go for banning Dai, and consequently the adjudicator accepting the sanction.

Being on the front page of BBC Sport won't help much if it is a negative story. Protests have to be at the man, not the club.

If match is abandoned by fan action, one or more of the following will happen:

Game awarded as 3-0 to Vale.
Points potentially deducted
1 or 2 games to be played behind closed doors if risk of a repeat considered high enough.

What it won't do, is make him sell.

I'm all for demos but forced abandonment is, for me, just about some people wanting to "feel better" about things. There is close to zero positive outcome from doing it.

what was the outcome of the man u liverpool game that was abandoned because of the utd fan protest?

[RG30]

My worry with any pitch invasion is the match is publicly declared "abandoned" but they resume when all spectators have cleared the stadium which has happened before.

[Hendo]

My worry with any pitch invasion is the match is publicly declared "abandoned" but they resume when all spectators have cleared the stadium which has happened before.

Has it? Would be interested to know when.