SouthDownsRoyal I 5hink we all know by know how this will almost certainly play out now.
WestYorksRoyalSouthDownsRoyal I 5hink we all know by know how this will almost certainly play out now.
You just have to hope his rational self interest wins the day in the end. He gets nothing from the club if he doesn't sell. He's tried asset stripping and selling the training ground and it has failed. As difficult as he seems intent to make it, it really is in his best interests to sell.
WestYorksRoyal Positive and negative spins available. The remaining parties must really want us to take such a risk covering the shortfall (good). They must be total idiots to want to buy a club in such a mess and dance to Dai's tune (bad).
Pepe the Horseman Marc Bircham and friends out of the running according to nitk Eddie.
SouthDownsRoyalWestYorksRoyalSouthDownsRoyal I 5hink we all know by know how this will almost certainly play out now.
You just have to hope his rational self interest wins the day in the end. He gets nothing from the club if he doesn't sell. He's tried asset stripping and selling the training ground and it has failed. As difficult as he seems intent to make it, it really is in his best interests to sell.
Agree with this but you’re rational, he isn’t, he has shown no intention of selling up to now just empty words
tmesisSouthDownsRoyalWestYorksRoyal You just have to hope his rational self interest wins the day in the end. He gets nothing from the club if he doesn't sell. He's tried asset stripping and selling the training ground and it has failed. As difficult as he seems intent to make it, it really is in his best interests to sell.
Agree with this but you’re rational, he isn’t, he has shown no intention of selling up to now just empty words
As wildly irrational as he is, I can't see any logic at all to turning down a decent offer. With the now publicised restriction on Bearwood, selling that off becomes far more difficult, and the stadium can't be worth a fortune without Reading playing in it.
He could, in theory, just keep the club on life support to collect rent on the stadium, but it would take years to recoup what he could gain from a sale.
Yes, he could also be asking a high price, thinking he'd rather let us die than take an offer lower than what he considers acceptable, but is the price of his pride worth £30 million?
Franchise FCtmesisSouthDownsRoyal
Agree with this but you’re rational, he isn’t, he has shown no intention of selling up to now just empty words
As wildly irrational as he is, I can't see any logic at all to turning down a decent offer. With the now publicised restriction on Bearwood, selling that off becomes far more difficult, and the stadium can't be worth a fortune without Reading playing in it.
He could, in theory, just keep the club on life support to collect rent on the stadium, but it would take years to recoup what he could gain from a sale.
Yes, he could also be asking a high price, thinking he'd rather let us die than take an offer lower than what he considers acceptable, but is the price of his pride worth £30 million?
As I see it, part of the problem is that it appears that whatever money he gets is going to be seized bu the Chinese government.
If that’s the case, and I appreciate it’s still a bit of guesswork, then he has no incentive to sell at all
Franchise FCtmesisSouthDownsRoyal
Agree with this but you’re rational, he isn’t, he has shown no intention of selling up to now just empty words
As wildly irrational as he is, I can't see any logic at all to turning down a decent offer. With the now publicised restriction on Bearwood, selling that off becomes far more difficult, and the stadium can't be worth a fortune without Reading playing in it.
He could, in theory, just keep the club on life support to collect rent on the stadium, but it would take years to recoup what he could gain from a sale.
Yes, he could also be asking a high price, thinking he'd rather let us die than take an offer lower than what he considers acceptable, but is the price of his pride worth £30 million?
As I see it, part of the problem is that it appears that whatever money he gets is going to be seized bu the Chinese government.
If that’s the case, and I appreciate it’s still a bit of guesswork, then he has no incentive to sell at all
SouthDownsRoyalWestYorksRoyalSouthDownsRoyal I 5hink we all know by know how this will almost certainly play out now.
You just have to hope his rational self interest wins the day in the end. He gets nothing from the club if he doesn't sell. He's tried asset stripping and selling the training ground and it has failed. As difficult as he seems intent to make it, it really is in his best interests to sell.
Agree with this but you’re rational, he isn’t, he has shown no intention of selling up to now just empty words
Snowflake RoyalSouthDownsRoyalWestYorksRoyal You just have to hope his rational self interest wins the day in the end. He gets nothing from the club if he doesn't sell. He's tried asset stripping and selling the training ground and it has failed. As difficult as he seems intent to make it, it really is in his best interests to sell.
Agree with this but you’re rational, he isn’t, he has shown no intention of selling up to now just empty words
Yep. Been saying since about December that until a new owner is official we're on a ticking clock to oblivion with the deadline in June/July.
For all the noise. Nothing has changed. Except the amount of time left.
Snowflake RoyalSCIAG Dai basically made two mistakes, but they're both pretty bad.
1) Put too much of his own money into the squad rather than follow the profit and sustainability rules (which would probably have led to better recruitment), ultimately forcing us to work under EFL sanctions for years on end.
2) Ran out of liquidity.
Other than that, he helped fund the training ground, he kept ticket prices at far below the market rate, and he subsidised away travel.
It's been said to death but if he sells Moore and doesn't sign Aluko and Puscas (combined with generally more sensible recruitment and retention) then we wouldn't be in this mess. Although if Dai ran out of money when we were in the Championship we'd have been in a bigger mess so maybe that's not a great line of argument.
Those small changes only swing it to about £160m lost in 6 years, from £190m. Not enough to prevent the mess, just delay it
SCIAGSnowflake RoyalSCIAG Dai basically made two mistakes, but they're both pretty bad.
1) Put too much of his own money into the squad rather than follow the profit and sustainability rules (which would probably have led to better recruitment), ultimately forcing us to work under EFL sanctions for years on end.
2) Ran out of liquidity.
Other than that, he helped fund the training ground, he kept ticket prices at far below the market rate, and he subsidised away travel.
It's been said to death but if he sells Moore and doesn't sign Aluko and Puscas (combined with generally more sensible recruitment and retention) then we wouldn't be in this mess. Although if Dai ran out of money when we were in the Championship we'd have been in a bigger mess so maybe that's not a great line of argument.
Those small changes only swing it to about £160m lost in 6 years, from £190m. Not enough to prevent the mess, just delay it
HTH.
(But notwithstanding, we'd be much further from relegation if we had an extra £30m to pay wages and the taxman with right now)
SCIAGSnowflake RoyalSCIAG Dai basically made two mistakes, but they're both pretty bad.
1) Put too much of his own money into the squad rather than follow the profit and sustainability rules (which would probably have led to better recruitment), ultimately forcing us to work under EFL sanctions for years on end.
2) Ran out of liquidity.
Other than that, he helped fund the training ground, he kept ticket prices at far below the market rate, and he subsidised away travel.
It's been said to death but if he sells Moore and doesn't sign Aluko and Puscas (combined with generally more sensible recruitment and retention) then we wouldn't be in this mess. Although if Dai ran out of money when we were in the Championship we'd have been in a bigger mess so maybe that's not a great line of argument.
Those small changes only swing it to about £160m lost in 6 years, from £190m. Not enough to prevent the mess, just delay it
HTH.
(But notwithstanding, we'd be much further from relegation if we had an extra £30m to pay wages and the taxman with right now)
Snowflake RoyalSCIAGSnowflake Royal Those small changes only swing it to about £160m lost in 6 years, from £190m. Not enough to prevent the mess, just delay it
HTH.
(But notwithstanding, we'd be much further from relegation if we had an extra £30m to pay wages and the taxman with right now)
We wouldn't though because it wasn't real money. And because if we spent it we'd get a lot more points taken off us now.
Forbury LionIf you put it into contextjd82 Won't somebody please think of the footballers!
If one of us earns more than a nurse we are likely to live a more expensive lifestyle than a nurse - have a bigger mortgage, have more kids, have a more expensive car on lease, that sort of thing.
Forbury LionIf you put it into contextjd82 Won't somebody please think of the footballers!
If one of us earns more than a nurse we are likely to live a more expensive lifestyle than a nurse - have a bigger mortgage, have more kids, have a more expensive car on lease, that sort of thing. This is a natural thing, we are living within our means and all is good, same as footballers.
If our employer starts paying us late and making cut backs, we have the option to look for an alternative role elsewhere which offers more security.
Footballers earn more money than many of us, but they still need to pay the rent/mortgage etc. Yes, arguably they should plan for emergency situations like this but if you are working for an employer, the bare minimum that employer should do is pay you the agreed wages on the agreed date each month. They can't say enough is enough, I'm handing my notice in and will go work for Wycombe, Although I reckon a smart player/agent would build that into their next contract as a early release trigger - Fail to pay me my full wages on time x number of times and I have the option to terminate this contract and leave on a free transfer.
Nurses may be underpaid, but the NHS to the best of my knowledge doesn't pay them late and isn't going to cease to exist, so from that perspective the Nurses have some security. They too have the option to seek employment elsewhere.
WestYorksRoyalStrandedWestYorksRoyal John Percy update. Semi reliable but fell for Storey's bullshit.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... rs-offers/
If true, shortfall issues resolve for March. Exclusivity targeted by the end of the month (i.e., next week). Genevra are back.
Gotta be honest, I couldn't give a shit who owns us next season so long as it's not Dai Yongge. Will happily take Genevra.
As short term as it may be, I think we are mostly all on the same page - if whatever group comes in passes the low bar tests and then just keeps us ticking over and invests, wisely, in the team/club then fine. The alternative doesn't really bare thinking about.
If you speak to Wigan fans, Al Hammad started well there. Spoke about investing in youth, won promotion, appointed Maloney. Then the guy providing the money turned the tap off. Obviously he shares the blame, he agreed to front their operation and made himself chairman. But it doesn't guarantee he'll fail with us. And at least when it went tits up, they sold up quickly unlike Dai who continues to cling on.
The problem with all these private equity and hedge funds is knowing who is providing the money. I imagine the EFL checks take time compared to someone like Mike Ashley.
maffffWestYorksRoyalStranded
As short term as it may be, I think we are mostly all on the same page - if whatever group comes in passes the low bar tests and then just keeps us ticking over and invests, wisely, in the team/club then fine. The alternative doesn't really bare thinking about.
If you speak to Wigan fans, Al Hammad started well there. Spoke about investing in youth, won promotion, appointed Maloney. Then the guy providing the money turned the tap off. Obviously he shares the blame, he agreed to front their operation and made himself chairman. But it doesn't guarantee he'll fail with us. And at least when it went tits up, they sold up quickly unlike Dai who continues to cling on.
The problem with all these private equity and hedge funds is knowing who is providing the money. I imagine the EFL checks take time compared to someone like Mike Ashley.
Then the guy providing the money turned the tap off.
^ the key point, it wasn't Talal with the money. Circumstances changed. We've spoken extensively with Wigan's Supporters' Trust who are very sympathetic about him and what happened - he also engaged them closely to try to do right by them in terms of a sale.
In himself, Talal isn't the problem. Is Genevra as an entity? perhaps, we just don't know?
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