Confrimed - Abbey and Holmes going

[YorkshireRoyal99]

just having a look at the salaries of the players, and yes we've been here before, we know this isn't exact so we take it with a pinch of salt. But it gives us a ballpark figure. and the majority of places that list the salaries are all pretty close. In Nigel Howes' most recent interview, he said we were still losing 1.2 million a month remember.

So: these are the listed salaries for the players we've let go.

Ovie Ejaria £7,800pw - £405,600 pa - i'm sure there was a figure banded around on how much his mutual termination was going to save us, can't remember now

Dom Ballard £5,400pw - £280,800 pa - not sure how much of that wage we were paying as part of the loan deal

Tom McIntyre £3,600pw - £187,200pa

Nesta Guinness-Walker £2,900pw - £150,800pa - we don't know how much of his wage Stevenage is paying for the loan deal till the end of the season.

Tom Holmes £2,600pw - £135,200pa assume we are not paying anything towards his wages now

Nelson Abbey £900pw - £46,800pa

So let's add all that up, £23,200k saved per week, which rounded up is £100K a month saved on wages, and that's the absolute best case. As above ovie was a mutual termination so it won't be the full saving, were we paying all of Ballard's wages? we don't know. But for the sake of arguments let's just run with the figures. And remember at the top of the post I mentioned that Howe said we are losing 1.2 million a month!! with 6 of our highest earners off the wage bill, we still have only saved 100k a month off that £1.2 million figure. that just goes to show how badly this club is being run. and would suggest that it's our operational costs now that are causing the issues rather than player wages.

Agree - always believed there are losses that we don't truly know about, or that we have potentially underestimated how much the training ground, academy, stadium etc truly costs us.

Added to this, we've lost Moore, Joao, Meite and received around 3 million Euro's for Puscas. Just had a look at a "reported" figure and we've received around £3.5m in transfer fees this season (largely down to Puscas' transfer) and saved whatever else this season on wages, it will work out at something like £5-7m at a guess I reckon. That's a massive amount of money for a L1 club and it's got us nowhere.

[Stranded]

A lot of people saying it's barely a loss, but we have just lost Holmes and Abbey. So I think it's a massive loss. Not just depth, but you know... actual players to actually field.

Not only that, he is Mr Reading through and through. He's bleed blue.

Obviously he's a professional who just wants to get paid at the end of the week, so no doubt will be excellent for Portsmouth, but to lose one of our own is cruel. Abbey just weeks ago said he'd play for free. How did we manage to raise such a passionate generation of players who love the club, and then do this to them?

It's not a massive loss when he simply hasn't been available for the campaign to date and with his recent injury record, is probably only a game or two away from another few weeks out.

We can argue about the quality all we like but he is now, at best, back-up to CB, LB and CDM - so we have the following players who can play those positions and have first team minutes this season:

Holmes
Bindon
Yiadom
Mbengue
Mola
Dorsett
Dean
Hutchinson
Craig
Savage
Rushesha
Carson

Outside of those, we have the following who could also play CB, LB or CDM if needed in the u21s

Stickland
Senga (back from getting first team minutes in Scotland)
Clarke (though needs to get match fit)
Wellens

So yes, for the 3 positions McIntyre can and has covered, we are pretty well stocked. Are all those options better than him, probably not, but are they available? Yes.

Probably not?

Most of them are way off.

A fully fit TMc at the top of his game - yep agreed. Where he currently is, I would say it is much closer than we would like to think. Hutchinson is probably next in line for the bench spot given he got minutes in the u21 last week & he would be a drop off in quality.

The point is though we are likely to lose him in the summer, he has barely played, so we have had to live without him already, so doing so for the last 18 games shouldn't be a massive shift as we have others who can cover. At least we are freeing up wages and getting some money in (to someones pocket).

[Stranded]

just having a look at the salaries of the players, and yes we've been here before, we know this isn't exact so we take it with a pinch of salt. But it gives us a ballpark figure. and the majority of places that list the salaries are all pretty close. In Nigel Howes' most recent interview, he said we were still losing 1.2 million a month remember.

So: these are the listed salaries for the players we've let go.

Ovie Ejaria £7,800pw - £405,600 pa - i'm sure there was a figure banded around on how much his mutual termination was going to save us, can't remember now

Dom Ballard £5,400pw - £280,800 pa - not sure how much of that wage we were paying as part of the loan deal

Tom McIntyre £3,600pw - £187,200pa

Nesta Guinness-Walker £2,900pw - £150,800pa - we don't know how much of his wage Stevenage is paying for the loan deal till the end of the season.

Tom Holmes £2,600pw - £135,200pa assume we are not paying anything towards his wages now

Nelson Abbey £900pw - £46,800pa

So let's add all that up, £23,200k saved per week, which rounded up is £100K a month saved on wages, and that's the absolute best case. As above ovie was a mutual termination so it won't be the full saving, were we paying all of Ballard's wages? we don't know. But for the sake of arguments let's just run with the figures. And remember at the top of the post I mentioned that Howe said we are losing 1.2 million a month!! with 6 of our highest earners off the wage bill, we still have only saved 100k a month off that £1.2 million figure. that just goes to show how badly this club is being run. and would suggest that it's our operational costs now that are causing the issues rather than player wages.

Agree - always believed there are losses that we don't truly know about, or that we have potentially underestimated how much the training ground, academy, stadium etc truly costs us.

Added to this, we've lost Moore, Joao, Meite and received around 3 million Euro's for Puscas. Just had a look at a "reported" figure and we've received around £3.5m in transfer fees this season (largely down to Puscas' transfer) and saved whatever else this season on wages, it will work out at something like £5-7m at a guess I reckon. That's a massive amount of money for a L1 club and it's got us nowhere.

TBH its probably got us from a position of not having a football club to having one on life support. If Dai is refusing/struggling to meet commitments now - if we hadn't brought in/saved that additional revenue, we would be absolutely and utterly screwed. Instead of absolutely.

[72 bus]

A lot of people saying it's barely a loss, but we have just lost Holmes and Abbey. So I think it's a massive loss. Not just depth, but you know... actual players to actually field.

Not only that, he is Mr Reading through and through. He's bleed blue.

Obviously he's a professional who just wants to get paid at the end of the week, so no doubt will be excellent for Portsmouth, but to lose one of our own is cruel. Abbey just weeks ago said he'd play for free. How did we manage to raise such a passionate generation of players who love the club, and then do this to them?

Holmes is still on until the EOS and we have Bindon, Mbengue Dean, Dorsett as well who can all play there. Sure, it is a loss to squad depth as McIntyre is better than all 4, but he's rarely ever fit for a consistent period anyway. This season we've basically been paying him money to rarely play. He's only just started to come back to fitness now since his last appearance back in September. No use holding onto someone like that when we can get £75k + save on his wages for the rest of the season as well. I didn't want it to play out like this either, as mentioned, I liked him but our situation is different. It also may give an U23 player an opportunity to step up as well.

So that's the worst center back pairing in recent memory in Holmes and Mcintyre both off the payroll, good business all round.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

just having a look at the salaries of the players, and yes we've been here before, we know this isn't exact so we take it with a pinch of salt. But it gives us a ballpark figure. and the majority of places that list the salaries are all pretty close. In Nigel Howes' most recent interview, he said we were still losing 1.2 million a month remember.

So: these are the listed salaries for the players we've let go.

Ovie Ejaria £7,800pw - £405,600 pa - i'm sure there was a figure banded around on how much his mutual termination was going to save us, can't remember now

Dom Ballard £5,400pw - £280,800 pa - not sure how much of that wage we were paying as part of the loan deal

Tom McIntyre £3,600pw - £187,200pa

Nesta Guinness-Walker £2,900pw - £150,800pa - we don't know how much of his wage Stevenage is paying for the loan deal till the end of the season.

Tom Holmes £2,600pw - £135,200pa assume we are not paying anything towards his wages now

Nelson Abbey £900pw - £46,800pa

So let's add all that up, £23,200k saved per week, which rounded up is £100K a month saved on wages, and that's the absolute best case. As above ovie was a mutual termination so it won't be the full saving, were we paying all of Ballard's wages? we don't know. But for the sake of arguments let's just run with the figures. And remember at the top of the post I mentioned that Howe said we are losing 1.2 million a month!! with 6 of our highest earners off the wage bill, we still have only saved 100k a month off that £1.2 million figure. that just goes to show how badly this club is being run. and would suggest that it's our operational costs now that are causing the issues rather than player wages.

Agree - always believed there are losses that we don't truly know about, or that we have potentially underestimated how much the training ground, academy, stadium etc truly costs us.

Added to this, we've lost Moore, Joao, Meite and received around 3 million Euro's for Puscas. Just had a look at a "reported" figure and we've received around £3.5m in transfer fees this season (largely down to Puscas' transfer) and saved whatever else this season on wages, it will work out at something like £5-7m at a guess I reckon. That's a massive amount of money for a L1 club and it's got us nowhere.

TBH its probably got us from a position of not having a football club to having one on life support. If Dai is refusing/struggling to meet commitments now - if we hadn't brought in/saved that additional revenue, we would be absolutely and utterly screwed. Instead of absolutely.

Yep and that's the other way of viewing it, that money has probably saved the club, but it really does emphasise just how bad the club is being run across several different areas. How we have managed to blow that much money and continue to fall backwards is alarming. That sort of money would take other clubs to the play off positions.

[Clyde1998]

Injury probe L1 bench warmer ooc in the summer . Can’t imagine many scenarios where we’d get much more than 75k.

Shame in some ways, local lad etc, but prob best for all concerned

Saw we sold some youth kid to Soton as well

This. We're lucky to get anything for him and it's probably more important to get players off the wage bill. We'd've probably could've got at least £200k if he had more time left on his contact.

He hasn't played regularly this season, so will have limited impact on the pitch.

[Royal_jimmy]

just having a look at the salaries of the players, and yes we've been here before, we know this isn't exact so we take it with a pinch of salt. But it gives us a ballpark figure. and the majority of places that list the salaries are all pretty close. In Nigel Howes' most recent interview, he said we were still losing 1.2 million a month remember.

So: these are the listed salaries for the players we've let go.

Ovie Ejaria £7,800pw - £405,600 pa - i'm sure there was a figure banded around on how much his mutual termination was going to save us, can't remember now

Dom Ballard £5,400pw - £280,800 pa - not sure how much of that wage we were paying as part of the loan deal

Tom McIntyre £3,600pw - £187,200pa

Nesta Guinness-Walker £2,900pw - £150,800pa - we don't know how much of his wage Stevenage is paying for the loan deal till the end of the season.

Tom Holmes £2,600pw - £135,200pa assume we are not paying anything towards his wages now

Nelson Abbey £900pw - £46,800pa

So let's add all that up, £23,200k saved per week, which rounded up is £100K a month saved on wages, and that's the absolute best case. As above ovie was a mutual termination so it won't be the full saving, were we paying all of Ballard's wages? we don't know. But for the sake of arguments let's just run with the figures. And remember at the top of the post I mentioned that Howe said we are losing 1.2 million a month!! with 6 of our highest earners off the wage bill, we still have only saved 100k a month off that £1.2 million figure. that just goes to show how badly this club is being run. and would suggest that it's our operational costs now that are causing the issues rather than player wages.

Agree - always believed there are losses that we don't truly know about, or that we have potentially underestimated how much the training ground, academy, stadium etc truly costs us.

Added to this, we've lost Moore, Joao, Meite and received around 3 million Euro's for Puscas. Just had a look at a "reported" figure and we've received around £3.5m in transfer fees this season (largely down to Puscas' transfer) and saved whatever else this season on wages, it will work out at something like £5-7m at a guess I reckon. That's a massive amount of money for a L1 club and it's got us nowhere.

Many of us have forgotten we have to pay Dai Yongge £1.5m a season to use our own stadium. That's going to make life harder. We really are screwed

[Hendo]

Injury probe L1 bench warmer ooc in the summer . Can’t imagine many scenarios where we’d get much more than 75k.

Shame in some ways, local lad etc, but prob best for all concerned

Saw we sold some youth kid to Soton as well

This. We're lucky to get anything for him and it's probably more important to get players off the wage bill. We'd've probably could've got at least £200k if he had more time left on his contact.

He hasn't played regularly this season, so will have limited impact on the pitch.

Yeah, if his contact had been up at the end of next season, would imagine £250k-ish would've been possible.

[Brogue]

just having a look at the salaries of the players, and yes we've been here before, we know this isn't exact so we take it with a pinch of salt. But it gives us a ballpark figure. and the majority of places that list the salaries are all pretty close. In Nigel Howes' most recent interview, he said we were still losing 1.2 million a month remember.

So: these are the listed salaries for the players we've let go.

Ovie Ejaria £7,800pw - £405,600 pa - i'm sure there was a figure banded around on how much his mutual termination was going to save us, can't remember now

Dom Ballard £5,400pw - £280,800 pa - not sure how much of that wage we were paying as part of the loan deal

Tom McIntyre £3,600pw - £187,200pa

Nesta Guinness-Walker £2,900pw - £150,800pa - we don't know how much of his wage Stevenage is paying for the loan deal till the end of the season.

Tom Holmes £2,600pw - £135,200pa assume we are not paying anything towards his wages now

Nelson Abbey £900pw - £46,800pa

So let's add all that up, £23,200k saved per week, which rounded up is £100K a month saved on wages, and that's the absolute best case. As above ovie was a mutual termination so it won't be the full saving, were we paying all of Ballard's wages? we don't know. But for the sake of arguments let's just run with the figures. And remember at the top of the post I mentioned that Howe said we are losing 1.2 million a month!! with 6 of our highest earners off the wage bill, we still have only saved 100k a month off that £1.2 million figure. that just goes to show how badly this club is being run. and would suggest that it's our operational costs now that are causing the issues rather than player wages.

Agree - always believed there are losses that we don't truly know about, or that we have potentially underestimated how much the training ground, academy, stadium etc truly costs us.

Added to this, we've lost Moore, Joao, Meite and received around 3 million Euro's for Puscas. Just had a look at a "reported" figure and we've received around £3.5m in transfer fees this season (largely down to Puscas' transfer) and saved whatever else this season on wages, it will work out at something like £5-7m at a guess I reckon. That's a massive amount of money for a L1 club and it's got us nowhere.

Many of us have forgotten we have to pay Dai Yongge £1.5m a season to use our own stadium. That's going to make life harder. We really are screwed

125k a month for the stadium, still nowhere near making a dent in the 1.2 million A MONTH!! losses

[YorkshireRoyal99]

just having a look at the salaries of the players, and yes we've been here before, we know this isn't exact so we take it with a pinch of salt. But it gives us a ballpark figure. and the majority of places that list the salaries are all pretty close. In Nigel Howes' most recent interview, he said we were still losing 1.2 million a month remember.

So: these are the listed salaries for the players we've let go.

Ovie Ejaria £7,800pw - £405,600 pa - i'm sure there was a figure banded around on how much his mutual termination was going to save us, can't remember now

Dom Ballard £5,400pw - £280,800 pa - not sure how much of that wage we were paying as part of the loan deal

Tom McIntyre £3,600pw - £187,200pa

Nesta Guinness-Walker £2,900pw - £150,800pa - we don't know how much of his wage Stevenage is paying for the loan deal till the end of the season.

Tom Holmes £2,600pw - £135,200pa assume we are not paying anything towards his wages now

Nelson Abbey £900pw - £46,800pa

So let's add all that up, £23,200k saved per week, which rounded up is £100K a month saved on wages, and that's the absolute best case. As above ovie was a mutual termination so it won't be the full saving, were we paying all of Ballard's wages? we don't know. But for the sake of arguments let's just run with the figures. And remember at the top of the post I mentioned that Howe said we are losing 1.2 million a month!! with 6 of our highest earners off the wage bill, we still have only saved 100k a month off that £1.2 million figure. that just goes to show how badly this club is being run. and would suggest that it's our operational costs now that are causing the issues rather than player wages.

Agree - always believed there are losses that we don't truly know about, or that we have potentially underestimated how much the training ground, academy, stadium etc truly costs us.

Added to this, we've lost Moore, Joao, Meite and received around 3 million Euro's for Puscas. Just had a look at a "reported" figure and we've received around £3.5m in transfer fees this season (largely down to Puscas' transfer) and saved whatever else this season on wages, it will work out at something like £5-7m at a guess I reckon. That's a massive amount of money for a L1 club and it's got us nowhere.

Many of us have forgotten we have to pay Dai Yongge £1.5m a season to use our own stadium. That's going to make life harder. We really are screwed

To which we also have SCL sponsorship money to offset some of this as well as the deal was agreed in 2021 etc. It's not as if the £1.5m is something that has just been introduced this season either. Point taken, it's still another significant outgoing, however we have probably received/saved more money this season than any other season in Dai's tenure and we are still well in the shit.

[Hound]

Wouldn’t nec believe that 1.2m figure as Howe said it

Not saying it definitely isn’t true as it might well be, but wouldn’t be overly suprised if it’s to try to take some heat of Dai

Saw 200k wage saving mentioned on Ovie, think someone asked above

Tbh our wage bill should be in a good place now. Guess the stadium and training ground/academy are expensive but then the academy has just made us a big chunk of money via Holmes/Abbey/McIntytre and the 16 year olds we keep selling off

[Brogue]

Wonder what Bowen and Carey’s wages are. How many league 1 clubs have a director of football and a director of recruitment?

whats more important to a football club, a first-team assistant manager or a director of football and a director of recruitment for a club that cant buy any players? And now player sales seem to be going on behind their backs, seems like their roles are redundant to me, why did they escape the chop when pang rolled the redundancy hammer?

Brian Carey at work today

[Snowflake Royal]

Wouldn’t nec believe that 1.2m figure as Howe said it

Not saying it definitely isn’t true as it might well be, but wouldn’t be overly suprised if it’s to try to take some heat of Dai

Saw 200k wage saving mentioned on Ovie, think someone asked above

Tbh our wage bill should be in a good place now. Guess the stadium and training ground/academy are expensive but then the academy has just made us a big chunk of money via Holmes/Abbey/McIntytre and the 16 year olds we keep selling off

Income is probably about £9m - £12m. Which probably mostly went on paying deficits from last season.

The Academy and stadium take up somewhere between 40% - 60% of income. Then our wages will have been at least 70%, maybe a bit more.

Plus we're probably still paying off a manager or two, maybe a transfer fee or two. Then there's all the other costs and non playing wages.

[Snowflake Royal]

Wonder what Bowen and Carey’s wages are. How many league 1 clubs have a director of football and a director of recruitment?

whats more important to a football club, a first-team assistant manager or a director of football and a director of recruitment for a club that cant buy any players? And now player sales seem to be going on behind their backs, seems like their roles are redundant to me, why did they escape the chop when pang rolled the redundancy hammer?

Brian Carey at work today

Most L1 and L2 clubs don't spend on transfers. But all clubs make signings.

Arguably, if you can't spend a penny on transfers, your person in charge of recruitment and scouting is even more important, because they have to do more with nothing.

[Clyde1998]

Most L1 and L2 clubs don't spend on transfers. But all clubs make signings.

Arguably, if you can't spend a penny on transfers, your person in charge of recruitment and scouting is even more important, because they have to do more with nothing.

I think this is why Ron Gourlay was 'successful' at Chelsea. He had an unlimited budget and almost no restrictions on players who'd want to join the club. Making poor signings would make little impact on the club's future.

The further down the pyramid you go, the more important a role they have. If you only have the budget to bring in three players each season, you need to get it right.

[SCIAG]

Obviously he's a professional who just wants to get paid at the end of the week,

And therein lies the rub - no matter how much you love your employer, if they stop paying you on time and you've got a mortgage to pay and a baby to take care of, you're going to become very pragmatic very quickly.

Portsmouth is a good move for the lad, club on the up, within commuting distance. I hope we've got a sell-on, easy to see him going for a couple of million in a year or two if he stays injury-free.

Surprised Yiadom's still here to be honest, you'd think he's the highest earner and he's an experienced Championship player.

[Hound]

Yids is knocking on a bit tbf

[Hound]

Wonder what Bowen and Carey’s wages are. How many league 1 clubs have a director of football and a director of recruitment?

whats more important to a football club, a first-team assistant manager or a director of football and a director of recruitment for a club that cant buy any players? And now player sales seem to be going on behind their backs, seems like their roles are redundant to me, why did they escape the chop when pang rolled the redundancy hammer?

Brian Carey at work today

Most L1 and L2 clubs don't spend on transfers. But all clubs make signings.

Arguably, if you can't spend a penny on transfers, your person in charge of recruitment and scouting is even more important, because they have to do more with nothing.

Wonder how much we’d get in if we sold Smith, Knibbs, Wing, Bindon, Savage and Elliott tomorrow. Suspect it’d dwarf the salaries of those 2 for the season

[WestYorksRoyal]

Obviously he's a professional who just wants to get paid at the end of the week,

And therein lies the rub - no matter how much you love your employer, if they stop paying you on time and you've got a mortgage to pay and a baby to take care of, you're going to become very pragmatic very quickly.

Portsmouth is a good move for the lad, club on the up, within commuting distance. I hope we've got a sell-on, easy to see him going for a couple of million in a year or two if he stays injury-free.

Surprised Yiadom's still here to be honest, you'd think he's the highest earner and he's an experienced Championship player.

Following this club takes its toll enough. Imagine being employed by it for what is a short playing career. Loyalty is all well and good, but ultimately players will put their own wellbeing and circumstances first. Rightfully so.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Obviously he's a professional who just wants to get paid at the end of the week,

And therein lies the rub - no matter how much you love your employer, if they stop paying you on time and you've got a mortgage to pay and a baby to take care of, you're going to become very pragmatic very quickly.

Portsmouth is a good move for the lad, club on the up, within commuting distance. I hope we've got a sell-on, easy to see him going for a couple of million in a year or two if he stays injury-free.

Surprised Yiadom's still here to be honest, you'd think he's the highest earner and he's an experienced Championship player.

I don't think Yiadom's wage is that high really, I don't know how it compares to the rest of the squad mind. He re-signed when we were under budget restrictions in the Championship, which some sources say are around £3k per week. That's probably one of our highest earners though now to be honest, surprised we can actually afford him.