Still the oldest

1960 · by **1960** » 30 May 2007 12:30

Reading will continue to be the oldest team in the Prem next year:
Brum 1875 (good try)
Sunderland 1879
Derby 1884.

This did not prevent Derby from being founder members of the Football League, however.

Stooper · by **Stooper** » 30 May 2007 12:34

Which clubs are actually older than Reading in the Prem/Football League?

Bar Notts County obviously, since we all know they're ancient.

noise · by **noise** » 30 May 2007 12:38

Stoke, Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday, and Chesterfield are all older than Reading.

ScottishRoyal · by **ScottishRoyal** » 30 May 2007 12:39

Stoke

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 30 May 2007 12:42

noise Palace is the oldest league club IIRC. Stoke, Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday, and Chesterfield are all older than Reading.

That is just so shockingly inaccurate !

noise · by **noise** » 30 May 2007 12:46

Behindu
noise Palace is the oldest league club IIRC. Stoke, Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday, and Chesterfield are all older than Reading.

That is just so shockingly inaccurate !

I was looking at wikipedia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:F ... ablishment

Stooper · by **Stooper** » 30 May 2007 12:54

noise
Behindu
noise Palace is the oldest league club IIRC. Stoke, Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday, and Chesterfield are all older than Reading.

That is just so shockingly inaccurate !

I was looking at wikipedia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:F ... ablishment

It wasn't 'IIRC' correctly at all was it

Far Canal · by **Far Canal** » 30 May 2007 13:04

Stooper
noise
Behindu
noise Palace is the oldest league club IIRC. Stoke, Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday, and Chesterfield are all older than Reading.

That is just so shockingly inaccurate !

I was looking at wikipedia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:F ... ablishment

It wasn't 'IIRC' correctly at all was it

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Crystal ... Palace.htm

"The original Crystal Palace FC was formed in 1861 and took part in the first ever FA Cup competition in 1871. They did not compete after 1876 and it must be assumed that they closed down. There is no connection with the present-day club which was founded in 1905."

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 30 May 2007 13:05

Don't Sheff Utd try and claim a very early date of founding on the basis that there was a club called 'Sheffield' , even though the two clubs are different.

Deadlock · by **Deadlock** » 30 May 2007 13:05

noise Stoke, Nottingham Forest, Sheffield Wednesday, and Chesterfield are all older than Reading.

And Notts County are older than any of them. 1862.

The Crystal Palace that were formed in 1861 have no connection to the current League club, who started in 1905.

Magnus · by **Magnus** » 30 May 2007 13:06

Stoke

Deadlock · by **Deadlock** » 30 May 2007 13:10

Behindu Don't Sheff Utd try and claim a very early date of founding on the basis that there was a club called 'Sheffield' , even though the two clubs are different.

If they do, it's pure garbage, based on the fact that Sheffield F.C. originally played at Bramall Lane. Sheffield are recognised by FIFA as the oldest football club (1857), and they're still going, albeit in the Northern Premier League Division One South.

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 30 May 2007 13:12

Deadlock
Behindu Don't Sheff Utd try and claim a very early date of founding on the basis that there was a club called 'Sheffield' , even though the two clubs are different.
If they do, it's pure garbage. Sheffield F.C. are recognised by FIFA as the oldest football club (1857), and they're still going, albeit in the Northern Premier League Division One South.

Didn't FIFA mess up and recognise 2 different teams as the 'oldest' ?

Skyline · by **Skyline** » 30 May 2007 13:13

ScottishRoyal and Magnus both Stoke

Except that the Stoke team that were formed in 1863(?) have no connection to the Stoke City team that were formed in 1874, and the original Stoke team no longer exists.

If Cube is around I'm sure he'll correct me on the dates, which I've done from memory.

Suffice it to say that Stoke City are not older than Reading

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 30 May 2007 13:17

Skyline I think you are talking about the situation I mistakenly linked to Sheffield / Sheffield Utd.

Deadlock · by **Deadlock** » 30 May 2007 13:17

Behindu
Deadlock
Behindu Don't Sheff Utd try and claim a very early date of founding on the basis that there was a club called 'Sheffield' , even though the two clubs are different.
If they do, it's pure garbage. Sheffield F.C. are recognised by FIFA as the oldest football club (1857), and they're still going, albeit in the Northern Premier League Division One South.

Didn't FIFA mess up and recognise 2 different teams as the 'oldest' ?

Cambridge University claim that their football team were formed in 1856. The FA say that Sheffield are the oldest independent club, but might not be the oldest club of any variety. FIFA have stuck with SFC.

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 30 May 2007 13:22

Wikipedia mention some facts that wuld seem to cast doubt on whether Sheffield are older than us !

It says that Sheffield played the game to their own code of rules and only adopted the FA rules in 1878.

How can a club that plays by a different set of rules claim to be a 'football club' ?

Surely if they use different rules they are playing a different sport ?

royal.badger · by **royal.badger** » 30 May 2007 13:26

Stoke

Deadlock · by **Deadlock** » 30 May 2007 13:26

Pulling it all together, the clubs currently in the League that are older than Reading are:-

Notts County (1862)
Nottingham Forest (1865)
Chesterfield (1867)
Sheffield Wednesday (1867)
Rotherham United (1870)

Stoke are disqualified for trying to claim another club's history.

Row V · by **Row V** » 30 May 2007 13:30

Behindu Wikipedia mention some facts that wuld seem to cast doubt on whether Sheffield are older than us !

It says that Sheffield played the game to their own code of rules and only adopted the FA rules in 1878.

How can a club that plays by a different set of rules claim to be a 'football club' ?

Surely if they use different rules they are playing a different sport ?

Never heard of Chelsea?

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