Leaving Liverpool

shadesrwrf · by **shadesrwrf** » 09 Dec 2007 22:28

There will always be a handful of fans with genuine reasons for needing to leave early, although I really don't see what can be so desperately important that saving 15 minutes would be so crucial.

We aren't talking about a handful of fans though are we? It was hundreds. If the mass exodus is related to either the parking or bus situations then the club has a responsibility to do something about this embarrassment.

I went to the cinema this afternoon and funnily enough not one person had to leave early. This is of course just a guess, but perhaps they all realised when the film would end and had planned accordingly?

floyd__streete · by **floyd__streete** » 09 Dec 2007 23:36

shadesrwrf I went to the cinema this afternoon and funnily enough not one person had to leave early. This is of course just a guess, but perhaps they all realised when the film would end and had planned accordingly?

Bad traffic on the way home from the cinema was there? How long did it take you to get out of the cinema car park?

Don't get me wrong, I do agree that it is a shame that so many folk leave early before having the chance to show their appreciation of such a good team performance. But the reasons for the early departure of Wycombe Royal - and many hundreds of others - yesterday really are none of Rev Algenon Stickleback H's business!

Geekins · by **Geekins** » 10 Dec 2007 01:26

It happens at every ground. OT is half empty too you know. It doesn't matter what team you support, there will always be fans leaving early for whatever reason. Although i didn't go, from last nights performance, i would've stayed and clapped the players off the field. Like i did against Newcastle. And i managed to run to the bus and be one of the first few buses without having to queue. Thats why i'm doing the Reading half marathon!

Wycombe Royal · by **Wycombe Royal** » 10 Dec 2007 09:01

Rev Algenon Stickleback H
Wycombe Royal I don't see what business it is of yours whether people left early or not. I don't normally, but yesterday I did. I had my reasons.
care to share? What was it exactly that leaving 5-10 minutes later would impinge on?

My 20 week old son had been in hospital all week, so yes I had my reasons. It is also the reason why my wife, another season ticket holder didn't even attend the match.

I don't see why I should have to divulge that reason, but I have just to shut to$$ers like you up.

The 17 Bus · by **The 17 Bus** » 10 Dec 2007 09:22

People leave early so they do not get stuck in the ridiculous jams, as WR said no reason why anyone should have to explain really, I feel sure that if WR could get away easily he would have stayed, as it is that time saved is more valuable to him and others than staying to applaud the team off.

Silver Fox · by **Silver Fox** » 10 Dec 2007 09:40

shadesrwrf We aren't talking about a handful of fans though are we? It was hundreds. If the mass exodus is related to either the parking or bus situations then the club has a responsibility to do something about this embarrassment.

I went to the cinema this afternoon and funnily enough not one person had to leave early. This is of course just a guess, but perhaps they all realised when the film would end and had planned accordingly?

Embarassment? I can't think why anyone would be embarassed byfellow supporters chooisng to leave early?

BTW what was the attendance at the cinema?

Skyline · by **Skyline** » 10 Dec 2007 09:41

I have absolutely no problem with people leaving early. As WR has pointed out, many people have legitimate reasons for needing to leave a few minutes before the end of a match.

But please, if you are going to leave early, then actually leave - don't just stand around on the stairs because something exciting is happening in the match.

Rev Algenon Stickleback H · by **Rev Algenon Stickleback H** » 10 Dec 2007 14:10

Wycombe Royal
Rev Algenon Stickleback H
Wycombe Royal I don't see what business it is of yours whether people left early or not. I don't normally, but yesterday I did. I had my reasons.
care to share? What was it exactly that leaving 5-10 minutes later would impinge on?

My 20 week old son had been in hospital all week, so yes I had my reasons. It is also the reason why my wife, another season ticket holder didn't even attend the match.

I don't see why I should have to divulge that reason, but I have just to shut to$$ers like you up.

because it sounded like you had a very weak reason for leaving and didn't think you'd be able to justify it.

I mean, you whole post was "I left early and I'm not going to tell you why". What was even the point of posting that?

I'm sure everyone accepts that some people will have a genuine reason why they need to leave early, but thousands left early on Saturday - far more than usual.

Stranded · by **Stranded** » 10 Dec 2007 14:42

There is no weak reason for leaving early because frankly you don't have to have a reason.

If someone wants to leave then fine, I've done it before for "no good reason" and would do it again if I wanted to. On Saturday I stayed to the end but if others didn't want to then why does it really matter?

Fans have always left games early up and down the country and they always will - it's just a fact of life.

Far more than usual may have left a tad early on Saturday because the game was an early evening kick off, it was 7pm when the match finished so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that many had other plans that meant they had to get away asap - a problem that would be lessened at 3pm kick offs.

Wycombe Royal · by **Wycombe Royal** » 10 Dec 2007 14:59

Rev Algenon Stickleback H because it sounded like you had a very weak reason for leaving and didn't think you'd be able to justify it.

I mean, you whole post was "I left early and I'm not going to tell you why". What was even the point of posting that?

Because my point was that we shouldn't have to justify it. It is none of your business. The reason for leaving early is irrelevant, it is down to an individuals choice and as long as people don't block your view as they are leaving then it should be of no concern to you.

Rev Algenon Stickleback H · by **Rev Algenon Stickleback H** » 10 Dec 2007 17:45

Stranded There is no weak reason for leaving early because frankly you don't have to have a reason.

Far more than usual may have left a tad early on Saturday because the game was an early evening kick off, it was 7pm when the match finished so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that many had other plans that meant they had to get away asap - a problem that would be lessened at 3pm kick offs.

the point was "why?"

I'm sure people at various times do have reasons for needing to leave, but there were far more leavers than usual on Saturday. I'd guess at the final whistle the place was between 1/4 and a 1/3 empty. That is very unusual.

If somebody out there likes to leave 10 minutes early to beat the traffic then that's their perogative. It doesn't make them a "bad fan" or anything, but unless those 10 minutes will make a dramatic difference to their evening you have to ask if the benefit outweighs the potential loss of missing a goal. Did those who left early at the Wigan game, for example, think it was worthwhile?

Personally I have left early from games. I once left a world cup match 10 minutes early because I had to catch an earlier train. I missed two goals and was damn annoyed about it, but the alternative meant getting back to my hotel at 5am rather than before midnight.

Rev Algenon Stickleback H · by **Rev Algenon Stickleback H** » 10 Dec 2007 17:49

Wycombe Royal
Rev Algenon Stickleback H because it sounded like you had a very weak reason for leaving and didn't think you'd be able to justify it.

I mean, you whole post was "I left early and I'm not going to tell you why". What was even the point of posting that?

Because my point was that we shouldn't have to justify it. It is none of your business. .

why post a reply to a question that wasn't directly asked to you, just to say "I'm not telling you"? What's the point?

If you think a question is impertinent and you don't need to reply to it, then just don't reply to it.

Wycombe Royal · by **Wycombe Royal** » 10 Dec 2007 17:57

Rev Algenon Stickleback H
Wycombe Royal
Rev Algenon Stickleback H because it sounded like you had a very weak reason for leaving and didn't think you'd be able to justify it.

I mean, you whole post was "I left early and I'm not going to tell you why". What was even the point of posting that?

Because my point was that we shouldn't have to justify it. It is none of your business. .
why post a reply to a question that wasn't directly asked to you, just to say "I'm not telling you"? What's the point?

If you think a question is impertinent and you don't need to reply to it, then just don't reply to it.

The original question wasn't asked directly to anyone but was aimed at those who left early (of which I was one), this is a forum that is open for members to reply to any question or comment that they want to.

You have only picked up on the second part of my comment - the first part of it was that it was none of anyones business why people leave early.

Anyway, are you a mod on here? If not I don't think you are in any position to say whether I should have posted my reply or not.

Now be careful not to fall off that high horse.

Man Friday · by **Man Friday** » 11 Dec 2007 19:12

Kes Why do people get upset about fans leaving early? You pay your money you leave whenever you want.

Of course.

But just expect to be perceived as a poor supporter. (When Reading beat Liverpool, a proper supporter will be there at the end ofthe match congratulating his/her team.)

Man Friday · by **Man Friday** » 11 Dec 2007 19:15

Rev Algenon Stickleback H
Stranded There is no weak reason for leaving early because frankly you don't have to have a reason.

Far more than usual may have left a tad early on Saturday because the game was an early evening kick off, it was 7pm when the match finished so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that many had other plans that meant they had to get away asap - a problem that would be lessened at 3pm kick offs.

the point was "why?"

I'm sure people at various times do have reasons for needing to leave, but there were far more leavers than usual on Saturday. I'd guess at the final whistle the place was between 1/4 and a 1/3 empty. That is very unusual.

If somebody out there likes to leave 10 minutes early to beat the traffic then that's their perogative. It doesn't make them a "bad fan" or anything

Yes, it is their prerogative. Yes, it does make them a bad fan.

RoyalBlue · by **RoyalBlue** » 11 Dec 2007 19:26

shadesrwrf There will always be a handful of fans with genuine reasons for needing to leave early, although I really don't see what can be so desperately important that saving 15 minutes would be so crucial.

I can give you one example quite easily. My daughter has been appearing in a theatre show. She has to be there at a certain time - they're not exactly likely to delay the first act because the referee at a Reading game has decided to add a good few minutes stoppage time! Therefore for some, 15 minutes can be really crucial.

BTW, I'd hate to be your boss with an attitude to timekeeping like that!

shadesrwrf · by **shadesrwrf** » 11 Dec 2007 19:27

Silver Fox
shadesrwrf We aren't talking about a handful of fans though are we? It was hundreds. If the mass exodus is related to either the parking or bus situations then the club has a responsibility to do something about this embarrassment.

I went to the cinema this afternoon and funnily enough not one person had to leave early. This is of course just a guess, but perhaps they all realised when the film would end and had planned accordingly?

Embarassment? I can't think why anyone would be embarassed byfellow supporters chooisng to leave early?

BTW what was the attendance at the cinema?

I take your point. The cinema was full, but nobody had a problem leaving or getting out of the car park I suspect. We certainly managed to get straight into Pizza Hut without any problems. That's why I suggest it's for the club to do something about this.

I also went to a classical music concert last week, and once again nobody saw fit to leave early. I just find it surprising that so many people, and on Saturday it was hundreds if not thousands of people, feel the need to leave early from an event they've paid so much for. Wycombe's reason is of course his own business but clearly understandable.

I agree, why other people feel the need to leave early from an event they've paid a lot of money for is really none of my business. But I do still find it very strange behaviour nonetheless.

Scrappy · by **Scrappy** » 11 Dec 2007 21:24

People who moan about others leaving early need to sort their lives out.

RFCMod · by **RFCMod** » 12 Dec 2007 08:22

Kes Why do people get upset about fans leaving early? You pay your money you leave whenever you want.

Spot on Kes
If you don't get in peoples way and stand about then whats the problem
For the 5-6 minutes missed does'nt make the fact that you've given your backing to the team for the rest of the game
Everyones different and entitled to do there own thing
When you look around you and look at the individuals sat round you you'll be hard pressed to spot more than 15 people who have had the same seat since the Madejski opened so if these people want to have a go at people who have sat in the same seat since the first day for leaving early,or swearing or being pissed then take a long hard look at yourself and try and work out why exactly you have such a miserable life

Im not anti newbie or I've been a fan longer than you type, just learn to live with the fact that some people want to drift off a little earlier
Fair play take a dig next game and say 'Oh you missed two cracking goals' but don't waste your time moaning

Wycombe Royal · by **Wycombe Royal** » 12 Dec 2007 09:03

Man Friday When Reading beat Liverpool, a proper supporter will be there at the end ofthe match congratulating his/her team.

Not if they have other commitments that means they need to get away from the ground as quickly as possible.

As I said before, some people have more important things in their lives than football. Family for me comes first above everything else, and if that means I miss 3 or 4 minutes of injury time then so be it.

But taking your line then I can assume that:
1) A proper fan wouldn't go down to the concourse a few minutes before half time to get a beer
2) A proper fan wouldn't come back from the concourse a few minutes after the second half has started so that they could finish their beer
3) A proper fan wouldn't boo the team because they are drawing 0-0 at half time
4) A proper fan arrange a holiday during the football season
5) A proper fan would come to a match no matter how ill they are
6) A proper fan wouldn't single out certain players and shout criticism's at them just because they can
7) A proper fan would join in with every chant

I'm sure I have missed many others but to be honest, after those I don't think we have many proper fans........

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