Safe-standing areas - TIME FOR ACTION

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Never happen waste of time.

But why not try anyway? The more that do the better. The German's found a way to reintroduce safe standing so it's not out of the question.

The Germans didn't ever go all-seater, which made it less of an issue.

[Jerry St Clair]

Terracing can be steeper than we are used to. You just need a lot of barriers. Here's a new terrace at the rebuilt Dynamo Dresden Stadium, for example.

Tremendous. If the North Stand at the Madejski were converted into that, I might consider coming to games again.

[Skin]

...and I'd come too. Cheltenham Royals on tour

[roadrunner]

Terracing can be steeper than we are used to. You just need a lot of barriers. Here's a new terrace at the rebuilt Dynamo Dresden Stadium, for example.

Tremendous. If the North Stand at the Madejski were converted into that, I might consider coming to games again.

I would love to see this return to English football but there is no why with our cotton wool health & safety laws they would allow terracing as above. Some pillock would suggest there's a risk of dropping your hotdog, leading to squashed and unrecoverable sausage, or something equally as important.

[paultheroyal]

Note to mods - this isn't yet another debate of the issues, this is a call to action, hence the new, distinct, thread.

The Bath MP, Don Foster, introduced a Bill into the House of Commons yesterday to legalise custom-designed Safe Standing areas.

If you are in favour of this, I would suggest that you e-mail your MP by using the link http://www.writetothem.com/

Ask them, as is your right as a constituent, to support the passage of the Safe Standing Bill which was introduced by Don Foster, MP yesterday - and ask them for their reasons if they won't.

I'd also love to know what replies you get - please PM me for an e-mail address, but just the fact that MPs out there know that there is widespread support for this will make a real difference to the cause.

EDIT - If anyone wants to see the wording of the bill it's here : http://bathlibdems.org.uk/news/000380/don_foster_mp_for_bath_introduces_the_safe_standing_bill.html

It aint gonna happen.

[Ian Royal]

Not if no one pushes for it. If you don't want to join in sod off, don't tell us we're wasting our time.

[roadrunner]

Note to mods - this isn't yet another debate of the issues, this is a call to action, hence the new, distinct, thread.

The Bath MP, Don Foster, introduced a Bill into the House of Commons yesterday to legalise custom-designed Safe Standing areas.

If you are in favour of this, I would suggest that you e-mail your MP by using the link http://www.writetothem.com/

Ask them, as is your right as a constituent, to support the passage of the Safe Standing Bill which was introduced by Don Foster, MP yesterday - and ask them for their reasons if they won't.

I'd also love to know what replies you get - please PM me for an e-mail address, but just the fact that MPs out there know that there is widespread support for this will make a real difference to the cause.

EDIT - If anyone wants to see the wording of the bill it's here : http://bathlibdems.org.uk/news/000380/don_foster_mp_for_bath_introduces_the_safe_standing_bill.html

It aint gonna happen.

On the contrary. It might take a decade or two more but it will be given the go-ahead over here ultimately. If it's proved to be safe, and it has been in Germany and they are seen as the test model for this, then there's little reason to say no here.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

please, its not that I don'tw ant a safe standing area, but so many people have the wrong idea, this is not a eturn to the terraces.

There isno guarantee of more people and no gaurantee of cheaper tickets

as I said, if 200 people want to stand, I would consider creating a space for 150 and charge a them premium

Agree completely, it isn't a return to the terraces. The massive old terraces are dead and gone and no-one wants them back.

I'd suggest loads of people would love to have proper terracing, rather than just be allowed to stand up in seated areas.

[paultheroyal]

Not if no one pushes for it. If you don't want to join in sod off, don't tell us we're wasting our time.

I will, because you are.

[St Pauli]

Problem is that whilst terracing and even safe standing gives you a better atmosphere it also increases the potential for hooliganism. Dresden have got a great set of fans when it comes to atmosphere but it's clear from this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1x0spR7NKc)that they also have a problem with hooliganism, and in that video you can also see terracing's role in hooligan trouble from about 5:15 onwards- it lets people move around easily and they aren't registered to a seat with their name.

That said I'd still like a return to terracing in the UK even if it did mean an uptick in hooliganism. The problem is in Germany fans are a lot more active. At St Pauli fans have anti DSF (german version of Sky) banners and chants whenever a game is moved to midweek for TV. They've even picketed their own games to get people to boycott the game because of reduced ticket allocations because of hooligan trouble for Hansa Rostock who they hate. They also go on national demonstrations of fans from clubs all over Germany organisd by the BAFF (German version of FSF). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc3j6ThFQR4

Here the FSF asks you to lobby their MP. Which is a good start, but lets face it, is an incredibly passive and pointless act, and unlikely to really change anything alone.

[Royal Lady]

No different to students having violent protests then.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

I think we oldies should protest, so long as there are plenty of safe seats we can use when we get a tad tired. I would be happy to take along a garden cane and poke Chas, if it was condusive to the protest.

[St Pauli]

No different to students having violent protests then.

Bit off topic but wtf I'll bite. Those protests aren't over, and if you look at British history it's littered with mass movements that included some violence or the threat of violence and did make gains. The Civil War, the Radicals, the suffrage movement to name a few. I know you tories don't like admitting that because you've always been the ones to make the concessions.

[Mr Angry]

No different to students having violent protests then.

Bit off topic but wtf I'll bite. Those protests aren't over, and if you look at British history it's littered with mass movements that included some violence or the threat of violence and did make gains. The Civil War, the Radicals, the suffrage movement to name a few. I know you tories don't like admitting that because you've always been the ones to make the concessions.

323 - 302.

Majority of 21

Get over it m8.

[working class hero]

The massive old terraces are dead and gone and no-one wants them back.

~I want them back - and I know many others who feel the same.
Frankly the safe standing group / FSF and the Supporters Trusts are not going far enough. As ver they only ask for what they deem likely to be acceptable to the owners. Let us ask for what we really want.

[paultheroyal]

The massive old terraces are dead and gone and no-one wants them back.

~I want them back - and I know many others who feel the same.
Frankly the safe standing group / FSF and the Supporters Trusts are not going far enough. As ver they only ask for what they deem likely to be acceptable to the owners. Let us ask for what we really want.

Many is not the majority, it wont happen. Support Bracknell if you want to stand on the terraces. Football has moved forwards, we are not going backwards.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

PTR no one is asking for all standing stadia, just the choice.

[Svlad Cjelli]

The majority of supporter are in favour of safe-standing areas - all the surveys consistently support that.

And don't make the mistake of thinking that only those who want to stand themselves support safe-standing areas - a clear, clear majority of supporters overall are in favour (on average 75-80%), because even those who prefer to sit favour choice for their fellow supporters and recognise the benefits to all.

[paultheroyal]

The majority of supporter are in favour of safe-standing areas - all the surveys consistently support that.

And don't make the mistake of thinking that only those who want to stand themselves support safe-standing areas - a clear, clear majority of supporters overall are in favour (on average 75-80%), because even those who prefer to sit favour choice for their fellow supporters and recognise the benefits to all.

Any chance of seeing the link to a sample of survey results please.

[Svlad Cjelli]

The majority of supporter are in favour of safe-standing areas - all the surveys consistently support that.

And don't make the mistake of thinking that only those who want to stand themselves support safe-standing areas - a clear, clear majority of supporters overall are in favour (on average 75-80%), because even those who prefer to sit favour choice for their fellow supporters and recognise the benefits to all.

Any chance of seeing the link to a sample of survey results please.

Certainly - the first one I found with a quick search (from FFC, who are independant pollsters) has a 92% - 7% split.

http://www.footballfanscensus.com/safestandingsummaryreport.pdf