readingbedding Waste of time and money, won't happen.
If only the suffragettes or Gandhi had had the same advice - would have saved them a whole lot of hassle.
by Svlad Cjelli » 25 Apr 2011 12:15
readingbedding Waste of time and money, won't happen.
by West Stand Man » 25 Apr 2011 19:44
Svlad Cjellireadingbedding Waste of time and money, won't happen.
If only the suffragettes or Gandhi had had the same advice - would have saved them a whole lot of hassle.
by Svlad Cjelli » 26 Apr 2011 13:17
West Stand ManSvlad Cjellireadingbedding Waste of time and money, won't happen.
If only the suffragettes or Gandhi had had the same advice - would have saved them a whole lot of hassle.
To confuse 2 hard fought campaigns for basic human rights with a desire to stand at football matches is puerile at the very best.
by Red » 26 Apr 2011 13:31
by Svlad Cjelli » 26 Apr 2011 13:35
Red I support the cause but don't believe in online petitions so for that reason I'm out.
by Red » 26 Apr 2011 13:44
by Rex » 29 Apr 2011 15:46
by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 29 Apr 2011 18:05
Svlad CjelliRed I support the cause but don't believe in online petitions so for that reason I'm out.
The petition is just one strand of a multi-threaded campiagn, to work on one particular argument - the fooball authorities saying that "there is no demand for safe-standing." Every safety officer and every match-going supporter knows otherwise, of course.
by Hampshire Royal » 29 Apr 2011 18:10
by West Stand Man » 29 Apr 2011 18:24
Svlad Cjelli
I don't think so in the slightest, and I do chose my words with care. The similarity in this situation is one where people who believe in something that is important to them work hard, pool their resources and campaign to make change happen.
Regardless of what the cause is, a defeatist attitude of "don't bother, it's too hard, it's never going to happen" is pretty pathetic and devalues anything that people believe in.
by Svlad Cjelli » 29 Apr 2011 22:20
West Stand ManSvlad Cjelli
I don't think so in the slightest, and I do chose my words with care. The similarity in this situation is one where people who believe in something that is important to them work hard, pool their resources and campaign to make change happen.
Regardless of what the cause is, a defeatist attitude of "don't bother, it's too hard, it's never going to happen" is pretty pathetic and devalues anything that people believe in.
Which says a lot really. Principally that you have a warped value set if you can equate standing at football with the genuine human rights campaigns waged by those people.
by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 01 May 2011 15:34
Hampshire Royal I wonder what the families of the Hillsborough dead think about 'safe standing'.
by Svlad Cjelli » 01 May 2011 20:38
by West Stand Man » 01 May 2011 20:56
Svlad Cjelli The simple and indisputable fact is that if there had been safe standing areas in the Leppings Lane End at Hillsborough on 15th April 1989 then nobody would have died.
by Svlad Cjelli » 02 May 2011 00:49
West Stand ManSvlad Cjelli The simple and indisputable fact is that if there had been safe standing areas in the Leppings Lane End at Hillsborough on 15th April 1989 then nobody would have died.
At which point your whole case flounders in total. What un mitigated bulllshit - that is neither fact nor defensible.
by West Stand Man » 02 May 2011 09:03
by Royal Lady » 02 May 2011 09:03
by Svlad Cjelli » 02 May 2011 12:11
West Stand Man The campaign for 'safe' standing is fine and dandy and I can understand why some people wish to join it. To justify it with imaginary 'facts' debases the balanced argument that is attempted to be put forward. There is no fact in your statement, it is an OPINION; there can be no fact because it didn't happen (ie no-one was involved in a crowd rush at Hillsborough into a 'safe' standing area).
by paultheroyal » 02 May 2011 13:55
Svlad Cjelli The simple and indisputable fact is that if there had been safe standing areas in the Leppings Lane End at Hillsborough on 15th April 1989 then nobody would have died.
by Jerry St Clair » 02 May 2011 14:44
paultheroyalSvlad Cjelli The simple and indisputable fact is that if there had been safe standing areas in the Leppings Lane End at Hillsborough on 15th April 1989 then nobody would have died.
Also a fact that if the terracing was full of seats like now then no-one would of died.
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