TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

[M Brook]

Academy. New training ground.

There is two.

That makes three

Has anyone used that Qikserve thing yet?

[melonhead]

Academy. New training ground.

There is two.

That makes three

that is the single most exciting thing ive ever seen

[melonhead]

Unless anyone can tell me what the academy cost currently to run before receiving this Catergory 1 status, then saying it's investing in the academy is pointless really. For all we know, the academy was previously costing £2M anyway.

less than 2 million quid.
FACT


& add to that all of the improvements that were done to even get Cat 1

[Cypry]

Unless anyone can tell me what the academy cost currently to run before receiving this Catergory 1 status, then saying it's investing in the academy is pointless really. For all we know, the academy was previously costing £2M anyway.

less than 2 million quid.
FACT


& add to that all of the improvements that were done to even get Cat 1

Yep - the pitch behind the dome ran to seven figures....and was installed in weeks...

[Green]

Don't get me wrong, I can well imagine the initial infrastructure costs racking up huge sums, it's the figure of £2.5M per annum that's been quoted that scares me.

That must surely put a hell of a lot of pressure on delivering players that either get a decent fist of it in the first team or can be sold on for huge amounts to other clubs.

[Magic Hat]

http://www.sportcontent.co.uk/index.php/2013/04/the-eppp-explained/

“The Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) is a long-term strategy designed to take Premier League Youth Development to the next level” – www.premierleague.com.

The EPPP, a new largely-unknown concept, is changing the way English Premier League and Football League clubs structure their youth set-up.

The six principles/targets of the four-tier academy scheme, in the words of the Premier League, who initiated the plan, are:

• Increase the number and quality of Home Grown Players gaining professional contracts in the clubs and playing first-team football at the highest level.
• Create more time for players to play and be coached.
• Improve coaching provision.
• Implement a system of effective measurement and quality assurance.
• Positively influence strategic investment into the Academy System, demonstrating value for money.
• Seek to implement significant gains in every aspect of player development.

To fulfil these aims each Premier League and Football League clubs’ academy have been audited – based on 10 factors including productivity rates, training facilities, coaching and coaching, education and welfare provisions – and given a Category status of 1 to 4.

Category criteria

Category 1:
• The top level category will require clubs to have an approximate budget of £2.325m.
• Have at least 18 full-time members of staff.
• Provide at least five hours contact time with players each week.
• The ’90-minute’ rules has been abolished for players over 16-years-old. Clubs were restricted to signing players with a 90-minute travel perimeter creating catchment areas, but that is no more.

Category 2:
• Clubs that cannot meet the required budget requirement and staff levels demanded by
Category 1, but still have an indoor training facility.
• Will be allowed to draft in players from age four and sign players from the age of nine.
• Will require an estimated budget of £969k.
• The current 90-minute travel rule will not apply for over 16s.

Category 3:
• Clubs in this category will not be permitted to coach youngsters until they are 11.
• Will require an estimated budget of £315k.

Category 4:
• Clubs in this category will be used to pick up youngsters that are late developers or have been released from other Academies or Centres of Excellence. Players will be 16 years of age or above.

How it really effects clubs

The most impactful changes introduced are:
• A new funding structure has been implemented as the Premier League and FA are investing more than ever in Youth Development programmes. Category 1 clubs will receive the highest percentage while the amount reduces as it trickles down the pyramid.
• Category 1 clubs are now permitted to coach players over 12-years-old for up to 10-12 hours a week, while Category 2 are permitted 6-12 hours, and Category 3 and 4 will have their players for a maximum of six hours.

Arguably the biggest factor, however, is the transfer of players through the pyramid. The power of negotiation has been stripped and a set pricing structure introduced.

Transfer fees are worked out on a yearly basis with a £3,000 fee for each year a player is at their academy between the ages of nine and 11, and £12,500 to £40,000 depending on the club’s category for every year between the ages of 12 and 16. For example, a 15-year-old that had been in a Category 4 club’s academy for five years would require a fee of £43,500.

Further fixed fees are payable on players making first-team appearances in senior competitions:

Appearances Premier League Championship League 1 League 2
10 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000
20 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000
30 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000
40 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000
50 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000
60 £150,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000
70 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000
80 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000
90 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000
100 £100,000 £25,000 £10,000 £5,000

The system has come under scrutiny in some circles for helping the rich get richer as the lesser clubs crumble, while others have praised it for letting the elite players get the highest possible coaching. It certainly seems that the EPPP is focussed on strengthening Academies in the upper echelons of English football. The question is, will that improve the players coming through?

Only time will tell. After all, the Premier League say it’s a long-term strategy.

[Magic Hat]

I can't find any breakdown of what the operational budget includes. I imagine that the 18 staff wages , scholar wages and facilities running cost and maintenance will be the bulk of it, but I don't know why the minimum budget is part of the criteria. Can anyone shed any light on this?

[Alexander Litvinenko]

I can't find any breakdown of what the operational budget includes. I imagine that the 18 staff wages , scholar wages and facilities running cost and maintenance will be the bulk of it, but I don't know why the minimum budget is part of the criteria. Can anyone shed any light on this?

Because the PL will subsidise the excess cost on (ISTR) a 2:1 ratio, so the total annual cost of a Cat One academy is £6.975M a year. Clubs need to be able to commit to paying their 1/3rd share in order to get the PL's 2/3rds share. (I think it was 2:1 - I need to dig out some paperwork I've got on it somewhere).

That's just an estimate made at the time EPPP was voted through, though, not a hard and fast figure, and will almost certainly have gone up in the 2 years since then - for instance there's been a shortage of properly-qualified coaches so I bet their cost has gone up.

Also, one of the big criticisms of EPPP is that there was only a PL commitment to fund it for the first 3 years. The assumption is that it'll be renewed, but there's no guarantee of that.

[Magic Hat]

I can't find any breakdown of what the operational budget includes. I imagine that the 18 staff wages , scholar wages and facilities running cost and maintenance will be the bulk of it, but I don't know why the minimum budget is part of the criteria. Can anyone shed any light on this?

Because the PL will subsidise the excess cost on (ISTR) a 2:1 ratio, so the total annual cost of a Cat One academy is £6.975M a year. Clubs need to be able to commit to paying their 1/3rd share in order to get the PL's 2/3rds share. (I think it was 2:1 - I need to dig out some paperwork I've got on it somewhere).

That's just an estimate made at the time EPPP was voted through, though, not a hard and fast figure, and will almost certainly have gone up in the 2 years since then - for instance there's been a shortage of properly-qualified coaches so I bet their cost has gone up.

Also, one of the big criticisms of EPPP is that there was only a PL commitment to fund it for the first 3 years. The assumption is that it'll be renewed, but there's no guarantee of that.

Cheers.

[multisync1830]

we're drifting off the topic here talking about small sums.

The $12m question is:- has he paid the final instalment and if not why not and if not why not: now what?

[multisync1830]

Someone at the game today told me that there is a clause in the purchase contract that states if the 2nd payment is not paid by the due date then SJM can buy the club back for £1.

Anyone know anything about this?

Why do you laugh???

[melonhead]

it just sounds like a great business deal


sell a club for millions. wait a bit, get it back for a quid, for bugger all reason.
whoever drew that contract up/signed it wants shooting


plus im just generally a very happy laughy person

[multisync1830]

Happy is good. but fyi his mate was 100% correct that ius exactly how it currently stands..

it just sounds like a great business deal


sell a club for millions. wait a bit, get it back for a quid, for bugger all reason.
whoever drew that contract up/signed it wants shooting


plus im just generally a very happy laughy person

Happy is good It's a classic loan shark methodology. Sell something to someone who can't really afford it then when he's in 'dire straits' just take it back as a default on the deal unless Anton sends out a 'S.O.S' to rescue the situation ...

[Cypry]

The notion that papa Zingarevich would sit and allow SJM to take the club back for £1, when the £12M or so needed is pocket change to him, is, quite frankly, laughable.....

[Royal Monk]

The $12m question is:- has he paid the final instalment and if not why not and if not why not: now what?

A reliable source has told me that the final instalment has not been paid yet (this was at 5pm last night)

[philM]

it just sounds like a great business deal


sell a club for millions. wait a bit, get it back for a quid, for bugger all reason.
whoever drew that contract up/signed it wants shooting

It wouldn't be for bugger all reason though would it? It is quite a common penalty clause, basically you lose your deposit/part payment if you don't make the final payment.

Would you expect the club to give him all his money back?

[philM]

The $12m question is:- has he paid the final instalment and if not why not and if not why not: now what?

A reliable source has told me that the final instalment has not been paid yet (this was at 5pm last night)

On BBCRB last weekend Dellor said the balance was due by the end of this month. If we reach October and don't see a cheesy signing pic on the OS then it'll be time to start worrying.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

The $12m question is:- has he paid the final instalment and if not why not and if not why not: now what?

A reliable source has told me that the final instalment has not been paid yet (this was at 5pm last night)

On BBCRB last weekend Dellor said the balance was due by the end of this month.

As if he knows! RFC categorically won't answer any press questions about such matters.

[philM]

Won't they? As if you know!

Paul Hawkins ‏@Abbykins2010 16 Sep
@TimDellor Hi Tim.any idea if AZ 's full takeovers gone trough?deadline up i think.i've tweeted rfc but doubt they will reply to a mere fan

Tim Dellor ‏@TimDellor 16 Sep
@Abbykins2010 Spoke to club about this. Official deadline date for AZ is end of Sept. Have requested an int with him ASAP, but not in UK.

[multisync1830]

The $12m question is:- has he paid the final instalment and if not why not and if not why not: now what?

A reliable source has told me that the final instalment has not been paid yet (this was at 5pm last night)

Has your source revealed the now what ?..