WC 2014 2nd round Netherlands vs Mexico

[Sanguine]

Robben initiated the very slight contact, but it's a foul by the rules of the game. I'd call it a dive, but its a trip, he impedes his progress, even if he doesn't step on him.

Horrible player. He is brilliant though.

[Royalclapper]

Robben & Samaras fling themselves to the floor in quite convincing fashion so that the Euro contingent don't miss out on the cheating bonuses. Mueller isn't half bad at the dramatics so we're holding our own against the traditionally stronger S.American scheming. The Argies haven't started yet though and there's still plenty of time for them, in reply, Hazard isn't shy in taking a tumble for a penalty and must have it in mind for the knockout phase.

Hup Holland will prolly have enough to get past Costa Rica now that the Greeks unnecessarily elongated their exit with a handball which kept it at 1-0 instead of CR having a penalty so all concerned could have got it over with much sooner.

[tulip]

The media attention for the probable dive is somewhat OTT I feel. It's like no one had ever done it in a WC before.

[Ouroboros]

Agreed. I think there's quite enough opportunity to be incensed by dives where there was no foul at all. I haven't got the energy to also be outraged by dives where there was a foul.

[PieEater]

The media attention for the probable dive is somewhat OTT I feel. It's like no one had ever done it in a WC before.

And in particular Costa diving and creating contact for a Spanish penalty against Holland. Or more embarrassingly Fred conning a shit Japanese ref to gift Brazil a win over Croatia. Although Robbens exaggeration was embarrassing, the defender lunged in and didn't get the ball.

[sandman]

The media attention for the probable dive is somewhat OTT I feel. It's like no one had ever done it in a WC before.

And in particular Costa diving and creating contact for a Spanish penalty against Holland. Or more embarrassingly Fred conning a shit Japanese ref to gift Brazil a win over Croatia. Although Robbens exaggeration was embarrassing, the defender lunged in and didn't get the ball.

Costa didn't create the contact, he put his foot in the position he had to put it to reset himself, as explained in the H/T analysis by Terry Henry and co.

[tulip]

The media attention for the probable dive is somewhat OTT I feel. It's like no one had ever done it in a WC before.

And in particular Costa diving and creating contact for a Spanish penalty against Holland. Or more embarrassingly Fred conning a shit Japanese ref to gift Brazil a win over Croatia. Although Robbens exaggeration was embarrassing, the defender lunged in and didn't get the ball.

I was going to mention (and didn't) the fact that Holland had already been on the wrong end of 2 dubious penalty decisions this WC, in the Spain game and in the Aussie game. This was the first that they had been awarded so far.

[PieEater]

The media attention for the probable dive is somewhat OTT I feel. It's like no one had ever done it in a WC before.

And in particular Costa diving and creating contact for a Spanish penalty against Holland. Or more embarrassingly Fred conning a shit Japanese ref to gift Brazil a win over Croatia. Although Robbens exaggeration was embarrassing, the defender lunged in and didn't get the ball.

Costa didn't create the contact, he put his foot in the position he had to put it to reset himself, as explained in the H/T analysis by Terry Henry and co.

I disagree, IMHO he deliberately manufactured the contact by putting his leg in an unnatural position at an angle to stand in the defenders leg. If he had put his leg straight down there'd be no contact, and IIRC it was Linekar who was saying exactly that to his panel.

[soggy biscuit]

The media attention for the probable dive is somewhat OTT I feel. It's like no one had ever done it in a WC before.

Diving is diving but Robben's is probably the most outrageously over the top (arms out wide, mouth wide open shouting in agony) that has happened so far. That combined with it being in injury time and therefore basically deciding who goes through and I get why it is being talked about so much

[Hoop Blah]

Costa didn't create the contact, he put his foot in the position he had to put it to reset himself, as explained in the H/T analysis by Terry Henry and co.

I disagree, IMHO he deliberately manufactured the contact by putting his leg in an unnatural position at an angle to stand in the defenders leg. If he had put his leg straight down there'd be no contact, and IIRC it was Linekar who was saying exactly that to his panel.

I'd agree with that Pieman and I we see a fair amount of the pundits trying to explain away the cheating from their fellow pro's so Henry's explanation doesn't count for much in my eyes.

[Whatevs]

Costa didn't create the contact, he put his foot in the position he had to put it to reset himself, as explained in the H/T analysis by Terry Henry and co.

yep this

[6ft Kerplunk]

Gets overlooked that Marquez didn't even need to put his leg out for Robben to fall over. Robben's last touch was heavy and there's a covering defender thats going to get to the ball first.

[tulip]

Anyway should Robben be punished retrospectively, it would surely open the floodgates of teams protesting previous decisions. Wouldn't it?

[Hoop Blah]

Anyway should Robben be punished retrospectively, it would surely open the floodgates of teams protesting previous decisions. Wouldn't it?

They can't start it just for him and part way through a tournament so no, he shouldn't.

It would be helpful if they did allow some kind of retrospective punishment or review if they can find a way that allows for a bit of common sense but maintains some consistency in application. I'd like to see that done within most top flight competitions (ie the international tournaments, European competition and Premier League). There are plenty of problems in implementing such a system though, and I imagine they'll avoid doing so because of it.

[Platypuss]

Blatant dives this WC: dozens
Yellow cards for "simulation": zero

[glass half full]

Blatant dives this WC: dozens
Yellow cards for "simulation": zero

If a player cheats to create a goalscoring opportunity, he should receive a red card.

[Flyingkiwi]

Anyway should Robben be punished retrospectively, it would surely open the floodgates of teams protesting previous decisions. Wouldn't it?

They can't start it just for him and part way through a tournament so no, he shouldn't.

It would be helpful if they did allow some kind of retrospective punishment or review if they can find a way that allows for a bit of common sense but maintains some consistency in application. I'd like to see that done within most top flight competitions (ie the international tournaments, European competition and Premier League). There are plenty of problems in implementing such a system though, and I imagine they'll avoid doing so because of it.

They retrospectively punished Saurez. His bite of Chilini wasn't a "goalscoring opportunity".

[Ian Royal]

Hardly the same thing at all.

[Flyingkiwi]

Hardly the same thing at all.

It was an infringement of the rules that went unpunished on the field. I'd say that makes it EXACTLY the same thing!

[Ian Royal]

There's a world of difference between violent conduct and simulation. There's clear precedents for dealing with such things caught on camera and not seen during the match and none that I can recall for diving.