OuroborosChaney Bob Paisley won 6 League championships and 3 European cups in 11 years. Fergie got 13 and 2 in 27 years. Best ever? Dont be daft.
Major Inconvenience I can't help but think he underachieved in Europe. So many years at the helm of one of the biggest clubs in the world, but only two European Cups / Champions Leagues isn't the greatest return.
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OuroborosMajor Inconvenience I can't help but think he underachieved in Europe. So many years at the helm of one of the biggest clubs in the world, but only two European Cups / Champions Leagues isn't the greatest return.
Don't disagree with that necessarily, but the champions league is a much harder competition to win than the European cup of paisley's day. There is far more money and quality spread around the continent.
If it hasn't been for Barca's outrageoua dominance you would expect that he would have won at least 1 more champions league.
Hoop Blah I don't think you can compare across era's with any validity though.
Looking back the names involved in the European Cup might not be so 'glorious' as they apparently are now in the latter stages (great marketing by the clubs and UEFA) but you also have to factor in that the likes of Paisley only had British players to choose from because there was the global movement of players there is now. The very best of South America and Europe certainly didn't come to England as they do now and so the resources of Liverpool or Forest etc were more limited and the likes of the French teams were probably stronger (relatively speaking) than they are now.
You also had to win the league to get into the European Cup of course, so again, it was more of an achievement in those days as it was harder to earn your right to play.
retro_royal Has Soggs worked out why he posted that picture yet?
Silver Foxretro_royal Has Soggs worked out why he posted that picture yet?
I'm far more confused by the one on the managerial sack race thread
at that pic.
OuroborosMajor Inconvenience I can't help but think he underachieved in Europe. So many years at the helm of one of the biggest clubs in the world, but only two European Cups / Champions Leagues isn't the greatest return.
Don't disagree with that necessarily, but the champions league is a much harder competition to win than the European cup of paisley's day. There is far more money and quality spread around the continent.
If it hasn't been for Barca's outrageous dominance you would expect that he would have won at least 1 more champions league.
From Despair To Where?OuroborosMajor Inconvenience I can't help but think he underachieved in Europe. So many years at the helm of one of the biggest clubs in the world, but only two European Cups / Champions Leagues isn't the greatest return.
Don't disagree with that necessarily, but the champions league is a much harder competition to win than the European cup of paisley's day. There is far more money and quality spread around the continent.
If it hasn't been for Barca's outrageous dominance you would expect that he would have won at least 1 more champions league.
Is it oxf*rd. I seem to remember Liverpool, as holders, being knocked out in the second round in 1978/79 by the eventual winners. The joy of a proper 2 legged cup competition and an unseeded draw after round 1. Every season there was between 6 and 10 teams with a realistic chance of winning it. You also needed to win your domestic league to participate. How many European Cups would Liverpool have won in the 70's and 80's if the top 4 qualified each season and there was a protracted league format?
I will concede that it's now nigh on impossible to win it if you are not one of the monied elite so I doubt we'll ever see another Forest, Villa, Steua or Red Star win it but the Champions League format was created primarily as a sop to the rich clubs to ward of the threat of a breakaway European super league.
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