by Jackson Corner » 14 Mar 2022 18:01
by Hendo » 14 Mar 2022 19:25
by PATRIQT » 14 Mar 2022 21:05
Jackson Corner Maxim Denom is his name. Whilst not classed as an oligarch he made his millions from fuel. He originally bought a 50% share in the club costing £850,000 ten years ago not a lot for a then 3rd tier club. However since then he has pumped £160 million to subsidise the clubs rise to the premier league. And yet there has been no mention of the government taking his assets even his 5 million gaff on the Sandbank’s.
by Hendo » 14 Mar 2022 22:53
PATRIQTJackson Corner Maxim Denom is his name. Whilst not classed as an oligarch he made his millions from fuel. He originally bought a 50% share in the club costing £850,000 ten years ago not a lot for a then 3rd tier club. However since then he has pumped £160 million to subsidise the clubs rise to the premier league. And yet there has been no mention of the government taking his assets even his 5 million gaff on the Sandbank’s.
Should every Russian with a million plus in his account be stripped of his money and assets then?
What about English millionaires and billionaires after the two illegal wars with Iraq where the UK and US lied about weapons of mass destruction?
With regards to the Russians. Where's the evidence, which is pretty critical, of RA etc doing anything illegal with their money?
by Silver Fox » 15 Mar 2022 09:09
PATRIQT What about English millionaires and billionaires after the two illegal wars with Iraq where the UK and US lied about weapons of mass destruction?
by Loafer » 15 Mar 2022 09:16
PATRIQTJackson Corner Maxim Denom is his name. Whilst not classed as an oligarch he made his millions from fuel. He originally bought a 50% share in the club costing £850,000 ten years ago not a lot for a then 3rd tier club. However since then he has pumped £160 million to subsidise the clubs rise to the premier league. And yet there has been no mention of the government taking his assets even his 5 million gaff on the Sandbank’s.
Should every Russian with a million plus in his account be stripped of his money and assets then?
What about English millionaires and billionaires after the two illegal wars with Iraq where the UK and US lied about weapons of mass destruction?
With regards to the Russians. Where's the evidence, which is pretty critical, of RA etc doing anything illegal with their money?
by PATRIQT » 15 Mar 2022 09:49
HendoPATRIQTJackson Corner Maxim Denom is his name. Whilst not classed as an oligarch he made his millions from fuel. He originally bought a 50% share in the club costing £850,000 ten years ago not a lot for a then 3rd tier club. However since then he has pumped £160 million to subsidise the clubs rise to the premier league. And yet there has been no mention of the government taking his assets even his 5 million gaff on the Sandbank’s.
Should every Russian with a million plus in his account be stripped of his money and assets then?
What about English millionaires and billionaires after the two illegal wars with Iraq where the UK and US lied about weapons of mass destruction?
With regards to the Russians. Where's the evidence, which is pretty critical, of RA etc doing anything illegal with their money?
Here?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60736185
by Franchise FC » 15 Mar 2022 09:59
by Hendo » 15 Mar 2022 10:33
Franchise FC I’m sure it’s been mentioned elsewhere, but didn’t RA admit that his fortune was made with corrupt deals when defending some other charge in court
Mr Abramovich won the case, but he described in court how the original Sibneft auction was rigged in his favour and how he gave Mr Berezovsky $10m to pay off a Kremlin official.
The document says that the Russian government was cheated out of $2.7bn in the Sibneft deal - a claim supported by a 1997 Russian parliamentary investigation. The document also says that the Russian authorities wanted to charge Mr Abramovich with fraud.
It says: "The Dept. of Economic Crimes investigators came to the conclusion that if Abramovich could be brought to trial he would have faced accusations of fraud… by an organised criminal group."
Panorama tracked down Russia's former chief prosecutor, who investigated the deal in the 1990s.
Yuri Skuratov did not know about the secret document, but he independently confirmed many of the details about the Sibneft sale.
Mr Skuratov told the programme: "Basically, it was a fraudulent scheme, where those who took part in the privatisation formed one criminal group that allowed Abramovich and Berezovsky to trick the government and not pay the money that this company was really worth."
The document also suggests Mr Abramovich was protected by former Russian President Boris Yeltsin.
It says law enforcement files on Mr Abramovich were moved to the Kremlin and that an investigation by Mr Skuratov was stopped by the president.
The document says: "Skuratov was preparing a criminal case for the confiscation of Sibneft on the basis of the investigation of its privatisation. The investigation was stopped by President Yeltsin … Skuratov was dismissed from his office."
Mr Skuratov was sacked after the release of a sex tape in 1999. He says it was a stitch-up to discredit him and his investigation.
He said: "This whole thing was obviously political, because in my investigations I came very close to the family of Boris Yeltsin, including via this investigation of the Sibneft privatisation."
Mr Abramovich remained in the Kremlin inner circle when Vladimir Putin came to power in 2000.
The document contains details of another rigged auction two years later, involving a Russian oil company called Slavneft.
Mr Abramovich formed a partnership with another firm to buy Slavneft, but a rival Chinese company was planning to bid almost twice as much.
Many powerful people - from the Kremlin to the Russian parliament - would have stood to lose out if the Chinese won the auction.
The document says that a member of the Chinese delegation was kidnapped when they arrived in Moscow for the auction.
"CNPC, Chinese company, a very strong competitor, had to withdraw from the auction after one of its representatives was kidnapped upon arrival at Moscow Airport and was released only after the company declared its withdrawal."
The kidnapping story is backed up by independent sources who did not know about the document.
Vladimir Milov was Russia's deputy energy minister in the run up to the Slavneft sale. He didn't comment on the kidnapping story, but he said senior political figures had already decided that Mr Abramovich's partnership would win the auction.
"I said, look, the Chinese want to come in and they want to pay a much bigger price. They say it doesn't matter, shut up, none of your business. It's already decided. Slavneft goes to Abramovich, the price is agreed. The Chinese will be dragged out somehow."
There is no suggestion that Mr Abramovich knew anything about the kidnapping plot, or played any part in it.
His lawyers told the BBC the kidnap claim "is entirely unsubstantiated" and he has "no knowledge of such incident".
Different factions had been fighting for control of Slavneft and there was widespread opposition to the Chinese bid.
Whatever the reason for the Chinese withdrawal, Mr Abramovich's partnership had the only bid left on the table. And they bought Slavneft at a knockdown price.
Mr Abramovich's lawyers say allegations of corruption in the Slavneft and Sibneft deals are false, and he denies he was protected by Mr Yeltsin.
by South Coast Royal » 15 Mar 2022 11:50
Hendo Maybe he has no links to Putin or the government doesn't deem him as big enough to warrant any sanctions. You can't just slap every rich Russian with sanctions unless they deserve it.
by Winston Biscuit » 16 Sep 2022 15:07
by Sutekh » 16 Sep 2022 20:23
PATRIQTJackson Corner Maxim Denom is his name. Whilst not classed as an oligarch he made his millions from fuel. He originally bought a 50% share in the club costing £850,000 ten years ago not a lot for a then 3rd tier club. However since then he has pumped £160 million to subsidise the clubs rise to the premier league. And yet there has been no mention of the government taking his assets even his 5 million gaff on the Sandbank’s.
Should every Russian with a million plus in his account be stripped of his money and assets then?
What about English millionaires and billionaires after the two illegal wars with Iraq where the UK and US lied about weapons of mass destruction?
With regards to the Russians. Where's the evidence, which is pretty critical, of RA etc doing anything illegal with their money?
by From Despair To Where? » 16 Sep 2022 22:06
HendoFranchise FC I’m sure it’s been mentioned elsewhere, but didn’t RA admit that his fortune was made with corrupt deals when defending some other charge in court
Yes, it was in the article I linked above:Mr Abramovich won the case, but he described in court how the original Sibneft auction was rigged in his favour and how he gave Mr Berezovsky $10m to pay off a Kremlin official.
The document says that the Russian government was cheated out of $2.7bn in the Sibneft deal - a claim supported by a 1997 Russian parliamentary investigation. The document also says that the Russian authorities wanted to charge Mr Abramovich with fraud.
It says: "The Dept. of Economic Crimes investigators came to the conclusion that if Abramovich could be brought to trial he would have faced accusations of fraud… by an organised criminal group."
Panorama tracked down Russia's former chief prosecutor, who investigated the deal in the 1990s.
Yuri Skuratov did not know about the secret document, but he independently confirmed many of the details about the Sibneft sale.
Mr Skuratov told the programme: "Basically, it was a fraudulent scheme, where those who took part in the privatisation formed one criminal group that allowed Abramovich and Berezovsky to trick the government and not pay the money that this company was really worth."
The document also suggests Mr Abramovich was protected by former Russian President Boris Yeltsin.
It says law enforcement files on Mr Abramovich were moved to the Kremlin and that an investigation by Mr Skuratov was stopped by the president.
The document says: "Skuratov was preparing a criminal case for the confiscation of Sibneft on the basis of the investigation of its privatisation. The investigation was stopped by President Yeltsin … Skuratov was dismissed from his office."
Mr Skuratov was sacked after the release of a sex tape in 1999. He says it was a stitch-up to discredit him and his investigation.
He said: "This whole thing was obviously political, because in my investigations I came very close to the family of Boris Yeltsin, including via this investigation of the Sibneft privatisation."
Mr Abramovich remained in the Kremlin inner circle when Vladimir Putin came to power in 2000.
The document contains details of another rigged auction two years later, involving a Russian oil company called Slavneft.
Mr Abramovich formed a partnership with another firm to buy Slavneft, but a rival Chinese company was planning to bid almost twice as much.
Many powerful people - from the Kremlin to the Russian parliament - would have stood to lose out if the Chinese won the auction.
The document says that a member of the Chinese delegation was kidnapped when they arrived in Moscow for the auction.
"CNPC, Chinese company, a very strong competitor, had to withdraw from the auction after one of its representatives was kidnapped upon arrival at Moscow Airport and was released only after the company declared its withdrawal."
The kidnapping story is backed up by independent sources who did not know about the document.
Vladimir Milov was Russia's deputy energy minister in the run up to the Slavneft sale. He didn't comment on the kidnapping story, but he said senior political figures had already decided that Mr Abramovich's partnership would win the auction.
"I said, look, the Chinese want to come in and they want to pay a much bigger price. They say it doesn't matter, shut up, none of your business. It's already decided. Slavneft goes to Abramovich, the price is agreed. The Chinese will be dragged out somehow."
There is no suggestion that Mr Abramovich knew anything about the kidnapping plot, or played any part in it.
His lawyers told the BBC the kidnap claim "is entirely unsubstantiated" and he has "no knowledge of such incident".
Different factions had been fighting for control of Slavneft and there was widespread opposition to the Chinese bid.
Whatever the reason for the Chinese withdrawal, Mr Abramovich's partnership had the only bid left on the table. And they bought Slavneft at a knockdown price.
Mr Abramovich's lawyers say allegations of corruption in the Slavneft and Sibneft deals are false, and he denies he was protected by Mr Yeltsin.
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