by Royal Rother » 07 Jan 2024 19:06
by WestYorksRoyal » 07 Jan 2024 19:22
by From Despair To Where? » 07 Jan 2024 21:15
Royal Rother Trouble is, anyone involved in the game at any time in recent memory, will have heard the phrase “he has a perfect right to go down there” so many times that, scandalously, it is now a part of football’s DNA.
But no, it’s not too late to fix it - it just needs the will to do so.
by WestYorksRoyal » 08 Jan 2024 09:05
From Despair To Where?Royal Rother Trouble is, anyone involved in the game at any time in recent memory, will have heard the phrase “he has a perfect right to go down there” so many times that, scandalously, it is now a part of football’s DNA.
But no, it’s not too late to fix it - it just needs the will to do so.
I remember a Patrick Vieira post match interview from about 20 odd years ago where he said "I thought I felt a touch so I had the right to go down"
I do think the days of Robbie Fowler telling the ref he'd made a mistake in awarding a penalty are long gone. I remember Fowler deliberately missing the penalty only for MacAteer (who else ) to knock in the rebound.
by Sanguine » 08 Jan 2024 09:07
by From Despair To Where? » 08 Jan 2024 09:10
by Winston Biscuit » 08 Jan 2024 09:11
WestYorksRoyal When you see players try and stay on their feet and mess up their cross / shot because they've been knocked off balance, 95% of the time the ref gives nothing. They need to be rewarded for staying on their feet
WestYorksRoyal Penalties are also obscenely valuable. There is virtually nothing a player can do in open play to create a better chance. So why bother trying when you can go down and win a penalty? Even if it's soft, it's worth the odds. I'm not suggesting changing the rules for indirect free kicks, just saying it like it is. Comes back to refs giving the penalty even if they stay on their feet; take away the incentive.
by From Despair To Where? » 08 Jan 2024 09:16
by WestYorksRoyal » 08 Jan 2024 09:30
Winston BiscuitWestYorksRoyal When you see players try and stay on their feet and mess up their cross / shot because they've been knocked off balance, 95% of the time the ref gives nothing. They need to be rewarded for staying on their feet
hugely disagree, and I feel that is part of the problem of where football has gone. Its a contact sport, making the opponent go off balance because you are trying to get the ball is fine. If you can't even do that then its just a non contact sport.WestYorksRoyal Penalties are also obscenely valuable. There is virtually nothing a player can do in open play to create a better chance. So why bother trying when you can go down and win a penalty? Even if it's soft, it's worth the odds. I'm not suggesting changing the rules for indirect free kicks, just saying it like it is. Comes back to refs giving the penalty even if they stay on their feet; take away the incentive.
Agree that an issue has now been created where penalties are given so easily but have a high value and can often end up deciding the game. Needs a rethink imo, with indirect free kicks being one reasonable solution
by Sanguine » 08 Jan 2024 09:53
by bcubed » 08 Jan 2024 11:16
Royal Rother Trouble is, anyone involved in the game at any time in recent memory, will have heard the phrase “he has a perfect right to go down there” so many times that, scandalously, it is now a part of football’s DNA.
But no, it’s not too late to fix it - it just needs the will to do so.
by Sutekh » 08 Jan 2024 11:38
bcubedRoyal Rother Trouble is, anyone involved in the game at any time in recent memory, will have heard the phrase “he has a perfect right to go down there” so many times that, scandalously, it is now a part of football’s DNA.
But no, it’s not too late to fix it - it just needs the will to do so.
I hate that idea, that anyone has a right to go down. And when it's supported by experts and commentators it's engrained isn't it? How do you change it?
Maybe we need to protest?!! Reading could lead the way...
by Sanguine » 08 Jan 2024 12:09
by YorkshireRoyal99 » 08 Jan 2024 12:47
WestYorksRoyal Good game between Arsenal and Liverpool. I do wonder if instead of signing Havertz and Raya, Arsenal should have gone big on Osimeh are another CF. Obviously Toney is available now but he wouldn't have helped them so far this season.
by Whore Jackie » 08 Jan 2024 12:55
Winston Biscuit Never heard of their being much concern around a tyne-tees derby before, but for some reason they are really planning this like a military operation to avoid trouble
All Newcastle fans had to be on coaches arranged by the club departing at 9:30am and the turnstiles opened at 10am for them
It's on ITV at lunchtime. Quite looking forward to watching it tbh
by Sanguine » 08 Jan 2024 13:11
by Dirk Gently » 08 Jan 2024 14:25
Sanguine https://twitter.com/collinabanter/status/1744200504379351464
Arguably a Liverpool bias behind the creation of this clip, but nevertheless it deals with facts. It is the inconsistency of referees' use of rules on dissent that makes them so maddening. Players arms flailing, gesticulating, shouting at the referee, throwing the ball away - and yet only one of the four results in a booking.
by Sanguine » 08 Jan 2024 14:54
Dirk GentlySanguine https://twitter.com/collinabanter/status/1744200504379351464
Arguably a Liverpool bias behind the creation of this clip, but nevertheless it deals with facts. It is the inconsistency of referees' use of rules on dissent that makes them so maddening. Players arms flailing, gesticulating, shouting at the referee, throwing the ball away - and yet only one of the four results in a booking.
Surely that's part of the art of refereeing - understanding context? Looking at incidents in isolation without understanding the context of the game and what else my have happened a minute earlier skews the whole perception. I'm happy for referees to have the freedom to proactively manage a game and make decisions on discipline according to context, rather than slavishly follow every single guideline to the letter.
by bcubed » 08 Jan 2024 16:03
SutekhbcubedRoyal Rother Trouble is, anyone involved in the game at any time in recent memory, will have heard the phrase “he has a perfect right to go down there” so many times that, scandalously, it is now a part of football’s DNA.
But no, it’s not too late to fix it - it just needs the will to do so.
I hate that idea, that anyone has a right to go down. And when it's supported by experts and commentators it's engrained isn't it? How do you change it?
Maybe we need to protest?!! Reading could lead the way...
All lob tennis balls at any player who dives in a game?
by BRO_BOT » 08 Jan 2024 17:46
Sanguine https://twitter.com/collinabanter/status/1744200504379351464
Arguably a Liverpool bias behind the creation of this clip, but nevertheless it deals with facts. It is the inconsistency of referees' use of rules on dissent that makes them so maddening. Players arms flailing, gesticulating, shouting at the referee, throwing the ball away - and yet only one of the four results in a booking.
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