The generic transfer thread

[genome]

Chelsea have now spent £821m in 3 windows under Boehly. How are they not breaking FFP?

[Hendo]

Looks like Neymar is off to Saudi.

100% not surprised at this news.

[Sanguine]

Chelsea have now spent £821m in 3 windows under Boehly. How are they not breaking FFP?

They aren't yet. That's one of the weaknesses of the system, is you can buy success now, and dare authorities to take stuff off you later, like City have done. And CAS seem to overturn any strong ruling on FFP anyway.

Chelsea have been offering long contracts, seven or eight years, allowing them to spread transfer fees over a longer period. This isn't without risk. It means the P&L hit of transfer fees is lower in year one, but is maintained in subsequent years - so for example, Caicedo will 'cost' Chelsea £15m a year for eight years, unless he is sold.

The likes of Levi Colwill are collateral. They are the sorts of players that Chelsea will have to sell in future years just to break even. In theory. Players like Mudryk are a nightmare. Huge outlay on the player and already doesn't look like being all that. They'll need to sell him for something substantial or FFP becomes a struggle.

Second edit - just saw RR's post re amortisation now limited to five years, means the 'hit' on Caicedo alone is over £20m a season. It's hard to see how it works.

[Sanguine]

And Liverpool experiencing deja vu, it seems.

Various, including Times journalist Tom Roddy, saying that despite Liverpool agreeing a fee for Lavia with Southampton, the player remains in London.

Chelsea are supposedly in for Olise too.

[6ft Kerplunk]

Guess there's no chance we were competent enough having set Olise's release fee low that it was on the condition that there would be a sell on clause with whoever he left us for?

[Sanguine]

Guess there's no chance we were competent enough having set Olise's release fee low that it was on the condition that there would be a sell on clause with whoever he left us for?

I'd be pleasantly amazed if we'd even thought of it. Even 10% would bank us a much needed £4m.

[Sanguine]

I do feel that something (is it the Saudi League?) has seen transfers get out of control. I'll hold my hands up, I'm someone who takes a lot of notice of the game and I've a pretty good knowledge of who is who and what teams are doing what - but I'd never heard of Lucas Paqueta until City had a £70m bid for him rejected last week. I gather he's actually an experienced Brazil international. But still, it's madness.

[Hendo]

Deal in place for Kepa to join Real Madrid. Lad keeps falling upwards.

Season long loan, confirmed.

Don't think he is a terrible 'keeper. Chelsea paid well over the odds (shock) and doesn't suit the Prem.

Do think he'll do pretty well in Spain.

Much like Courtois, didn't suit the Prem but has done pretty well at Real.

[Hendo]

Now reported that Liverpool have had an offer of £60m accepted for Romeo Lavia. Decision now lies with the player. He'd have every right to feel pretty badly treated by Liverpool, tbf, transfer was close and then he was briefly cast aside for Caicedo.

Feel for Tyler Adams too. He was Chelsea-bound, transfer binned after the Caicedo deal.

Lavia is a really odd transfer, ridiculous money.

If I were Liverpool I'd have been cheeky and gone for Onana, impresses me each time I see him. Would have got him for a lot less than £60m you'd think given Everton's financial issues.

Sounds like Utd are enquiring about Onana.

[NathStPaul]

Now reported that Liverpool have had an offer of £60m accepted for Romeo Lavia. Decision now lies with the player. He'd have every right to feel pretty badly treated by Liverpool, tbf, transfer was close and then he was briefly cast aside for Caicedo.

Feel for Tyler Adams too. He was Chelsea-bound, transfer binned after the Caicedo deal.

Lavia is a really odd transfer, ridiculous money.

If I were Liverpool I'd have been cheeky and gone for Onana, impresses me each time I see him. Would have got him for a lot less than £60m you'd think given Everton's financial issues.

Sounds like Utd are enquiring about Onana.

Very decent signing imo. Love watching him play.

[Sanguine]

Alan Shearer won't know what to do with himself when United play.

[ayjaydee]

Guess there's no chance we were competent enough having set Olise's release fee low that it was on the condition that there would be a sell on clause with whoever he left us for?

I'd be pleasantly amazed if we'd even thought of it. Even 10% would bank us a much needed £4m.

Read somewhere (on here probs) that Olise had a no sell on fee clause in addition to the £8m buyout clause.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Looks like Neymar is off to Saudi.

100% not surprised at this news.

Signs for Al Hilal to link up with Koulibaly, Ruben Neves, Milinkovic-Savic, and fellow Brazilians Michael and Malcom (remember him?) lol.

[Sutekh]

Looks like Neymar is off to Saudi.

100% not surprised at this news.

Signs for Al Hilal to link up with Koulibaly, Ruben Neves, Milinkovic-Savic, and fellow Brazilians Michael and Malcom (remember him?) lol.

[Sanguine]

This does contextualise Caicedo's choice a little.



Mum looks over the moon!

[NathStPaul]

Not really sure why anyone is criticising him tbh. Chelsea are a club on the up and Liverpool are on the decline, a busted flush. Clearly Salah has had enough given his reaction on Sunday and the Klopp magic has vanished. There is a reason they can't attract anyone, the agents and players know that Liverpool are in trouble.

[Stranded]

Guess there's no chance we were competent enough having set Olise's release fee low that it was on the condition that there would be a sell on clause with whoever he left us for?

I'd be pleasantly amazed if we'd even thought of it. Even 10% would bank us a much needed £4m.

Read somewhere (on here probs) that Olise had a no sell on fee clause in addition to the £8m buyout clause.

Also seen plenty of other sources saying we have 10% - Bowen apparently said we don't have a sell on at the Blue Collar event but frankly we won't know for certain until either the club confirm we have got X million or its published in future accounts.

[Sutekh]

Not really sure why anyone is criticising him tbh. Chelsea are a club on the up and Liverpool are on the decline, a busted flush. Clearly Salah has had enough given his reaction on Sunday and the Klopp magic has vanished. There is a reason they can't attract anyone, the agents and players know that Liverpool are in trouble.

Liverpool’s issue is the penny pinching owners and farcical mess they’ve made of this transfer window. There’s still time to save the window but now their stupidity has reduced the market and they’re very unlikely to get Andre before the winter window (who I think could be a vastly superior player to Caicedo).

Liverpool’s options now are that Luis bloke from Portugal or Sengar (is that how you spell his name) from PSV and the former will cost an arm and a leg.

If they’d put the money up in the first place it’s have all been sorted now!

[Sanguine]

Not really sure why anyone is criticising him tbh. Chelsea are a club on the up and Liverpool are on the decline, a busted flush. Clearly Salah has had enough given his reaction on Sunday and the Klopp magic has vanished. There is a reason they can't attract anyone, the agents and players know that Liverpool are in trouble.

I think that's rubbish, tbh.

In this transfer window Liverpool moved quickly to sign a World Cup winner wanted by a number of clubs, and the best midfielder in the Bundesliga last season.

I think there's a few things at play here. Money - Chelsea will offer more of it, for longer. Success - young players have seen Chelsea (and City) win almost everything in the last decade; Caicedo is a Chelsea fan. Players want to play for City like they used to want to play for Liverpool and United. And finally Klopp - not that his 'magic has vanished' (their current unbeaten league run is 12, for a start), but that I wonder whether players and agents who want to work with him are conscious that he might leave the club in the next couple of seasons.

No doubt they need more players, but I think it is wrong to suggest Liverpool has no 'pull'.

As Sutekh notes, the issue on Lavia was dithering over £4m or so. They'd have secured his signing before Chelsea got involved if they hadn't fcuked about.

[NathStPaul]

Not really sure why anyone is criticising him tbh. Chelsea are a club on the up and Liverpool are on the decline, a busted flush. Clearly Salah has had enough given his reaction on Sunday and the Klopp magic has vanished. There is a reason they can't attract anyone, the agents and players know that Liverpool are in trouble.

I think that's rubbish, tbh.

In this transfer window Liverpool moved quickly to sign a World Cup winner wanted by a number of clubs, and the best midfielder in the Bundesliga last season.

I think there's a few things at play here. Money - Chelsea will offer more of it, for longer. Success - young players have seen Chelsea (and City) win almost everything in the last decade; Caicedo is a Chelsea fan. Players want to play for City like they used to want to play for Liverpool and United. And finally Klopp - not that his 'magic has vanished' (their current unbeaten league run is 12, for a start), but that I wonder whether players and agents who want to work with him are conscious that he might leave the club in the next couple of seasons.

No doubt they need more players, but I think it is wrong to suggest Liverpool has no 'pull'.

As Sutekh notes, the issue on Lavia was dithering over £4m or so. They'd have secured his signing before Chelsea got involved if they hadn't fcuked about.

I appreciate the effort you have gone to in making that reply but full disclosure here, I am just trying to annoy Vic.