Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

[soggy biscuit]

I think it might be an exciting time to be a Rangers supporter as the SPL will probably let them straight back in and they can start debt-free with the minor inconvenience of no place in Europe for three years. Why doesn't every club in the league now pull the same trick and have all their debts disappear in a puff of smoke?

The other SPL clubs will not let them back in

[TFF]

Back to Pompey...

Pompey ‘face liquidation within weeks’

[soggy biscuit]

Back to Pompey...

Pompey ‘face liquidation within weeks’

Officially bored of how many times they can be on the verge of liquidation. Weren't they 2 weeks away from going out of existence around 4 weeks ago?

[Wimb]

Back to Pompey...

Pompey ‘face liquidation within weeks’

Officially bored of how many times they can be on the verge of liquidation. Weren't they 2 weeks away from going out of existence around 4 weeks ago?

^^^^ this.

[Barry the bird boggler]

Exactly, like it's ever really going to happen

[Uke]

“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would, like Esau, sell your country for a mess of pottage, and, like Judas, betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!”

[SpaceCruiser]

I think it might be an exciting time to be a Rangers supporter as the SPL will probably let them straight back in and they can start debt-free with the minor inconvenience of no place in Europe for three years. Why doesn't every club in the league now pull the same trick and have all their debts disappear in a puff of smoke?

The other SPL clubs will not let them back in

I should oxf*rd hope so. Doing a new co is cheating, isn't it?

[weybridgewanderer]

I think it might be an exciting time to be a Rangers supporter as the SPL will probably let them straight back in and they can start debt-free with the minor inconvenience of no place in Europe for three years. Why doesn't every club in the league now pull the same trick and have all their debts disappear in a puff of smoke?

The other SPL clubs will not let them back in

aye, and turkeys will vote for christmas

[superreadingfan]

i bet your ass one way or another rangers will start in the spl, typifies everything that is wrong with scottish football and the pandering to the bigot bros has done more harm than good. its about integrity and when the envelopes get passed around it all disappears.

[Ian Royal]

It's a difficult one to call really.

On the one hand there is the integrity of the competition at stake and an opportunity for the likes of Motherwell, Hearts, Aberdeen, Hibs, Killi, Dundee, ICT etc to try and make a grab at stepping up and taking Ranger's place competing with Celtic for the title. Even though Celtic are likely to be dominant at least in the short term.

At the same time there's the worry that without Ranger's there's little appeal to the league for armchair and foreign fans so they lose out on TV money and all end up poorer. Ultimately a totally onesided league always won by Celtic isn't even an attractive prospect for Celtic because they'll end up making much less money and being unable to compete on any level in Europe.

IMO it all depends on how much of the TV money they actually see with both Celtic and Rangers in the league and how long there is left on the current deal. If there's a few years left on it and they currently get a very small percentage, they may feel they can get a bigger cut in the short term, make a step up and make the league competitive by the time the deal needs renegotiating so it's still an attractive one for TV rights

[Mr Angry]

If the SPL vote to allow a "Newco" Rangers to stay in the SPL, then any integrity, credibility and morality that the Scottish game thinks it has disappears up its on backside.

Newco Rangers have to start at Div 3 level and then work their way back into the SPL (3 years of which they won't be allowed into Europe anyway).

At least that would give the Scottish game some degree of credibility.

[Franchise FC]

If the SPL vote to allow a "Newco" Rangers to stay in the SPL, then any integrity, credibility and morality that the Scottish game thinks it has disappears up its on backside.

Newco Rangers have to start at Div 3 level and then work their way back into the SPL (3 years of which they won't be allowed into Europe anyway).

At least that would give the Scottish game some degree of credibility.

And that would be something they haven't had for some time.

[weybridgewanderer]

all these teams have contracts with players whch require the SKY TV money and the money from the visits of rangers and celtics away support

with no rangers this money would all disappear, and the clubs will have players on contracts that they cant afford

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

all these teams have contracts with players whch require the SKY TV money and the money from the visits of rangers and celtics away support

with no rangers this money would all disappear, and the clubs will have players on contracts that they cant afford

How much does a club like Hibernian get from SKY anyway? Most of the SKY money goes directly to the OF.

How much would the SKY money drop for them if they renegotiated a deal?

[Deadlock]

Sky have not said anything about pulling out if Rangers aren't in the SPL.

[Ian Royal]

all these teams have contracts with players whch require the SKY TV money and the money from the visits of rangers and celtics away support

with no rangers this money would all disappear, and the clubs will have players on contracts that they cant afford

I'm sorry, but a couple of bigger crowds a season is not going to make a big difference to their finances.

How much damage this does financially depends on how much of the current deal they get. Any deal without Rangers and they are likely to get a bigger cut of the smaller pie making the loss less bad. And it depends how long the current contract at the current rate runs for.

[Franchise FC]

all these teams have contracts with players whch require the SKY TV money and the money from the visits of rangers and celtics away support

with no rangers this money would all disappear, and the clubs will have players on contracts that they cant afford

I'm sorry, but a couple of bigger crowds a season is not going to make a big difference to their finances.

How much damage this does financially depends on how much of the current deal they get. Any deal without Rangers and they are likely to get a bigger cut of the smaller pie making the loss less bad. And it depends how long the current contract at the current rate runs for.

And then on how competitive (or otherwise) the SPL becomes with no Rangers

[weybridgewanderer]

for those saying a couple of big crowds would not make a difference... dunfermline could not pay their players when rangers never gave them the money for the tickets last season

its also why we cannot agree on league reconstruction, these teams do not want to lose the 4 old firm crowds

SKY have a clause in the contract that tere must be 4 old firm games a season

sponsorship deals will collapse if there is not the TV exposure there is today. they will be replaced but not at the same money

yet clubs will still have multi year player contracts to honour

Just like the football league why ITV Digital

I am not saying i agree with it, I and many other Rangers fans would prefer we start from Div 3 , I don't want the chants over the next few years that we are cheats and are only there because they let us in.

[weybridgewanderer]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/edito ... -23896138/

[weybridgewanderer]

all these teams have contracts with players whch require the SKY TV money and the money from the visits of rangers and celtics away support

with no rangers this money would all disappear, and the clubs will have players on contracts that they cant afford

How much does a club like Hibernian get from SKY anyway? Most of the SKY money goes directly to the OF.

How much would the SKY money drop for them if they renegotiated a deal?

In the background, though, most clubs are bricking it.

Take Dundee United. They get 29 per cent of their turnover from central revenue. Same again from season tickets. The rest is made up of, sponsorship, gate money, commercial income, yadda yadda.

For clubs like St Johnstone, the figure for central income is closer to 50 per cent.

And there's not one of them, other than Celtic, who could afford to lose the guts of that money overnight.

People keep saying to me the Sky threat isn't real - that they'll be there, or there will be a deal in its place.

If that was true, the chairmen would be sleeping at night. And they're not.

Because it's not as simple as taking it away and saying 'Doesn't matter, just cut your cloth, the game will be better for it anyway'.

Maybe it would, but the reality is the clubs have contracts to honour, commitments made on the basis of income forecasts.

Players' wages, staff, rent for training grounds - they don't go away, even if you lose 30 per cent of your revenue.

Obviously the counterpoint is that by voting yes, they alienate their own fans instead. And they can't afford that either.