Weekend Football 1st/2nd October

[postwhisperer]

blame the spanish and italians for that

[swansea jack]

2-0 to the Jacks

Would hate to be a Stoke fan if that's how they play every week.

It's obviously not Their point against the Champions proved that last week, they were tired from the Europa league game no doubt!

I refer the honourable gentleman to my earlier post...

[Alan Partridge]

Couldn't really give a toss about the game, I just caught the red card on Sky News. It was a late challenge, but no more than a yellow. Again, one foot on the ground, the other stretching for the ball. You really can't tackle in this game any more.

You can it's just modern pro's are absolutely crap at it. Zero technique and they just lunge in, Commons in real time looked a definite red. Having seen the replay nothing changes my opinion, he was nowhere near the ball, high, studs showing, late and caught only the man. Off you go.

[cmonurz]

Couldn't really give a toss about the game, I just caught the red card on Sky News. It was a late challenge, but no more than a yellow. Again, one foot on the ground, the other stretching for the ball. You really can't tackle in this game any more.

You can it's just modern pro's are absolutely crap at it. Zero technique and they just lunge in, Commons in real time looked a definite red. Having seen the replay nothing changes my opinion, he was nowhere near the ball, high, studs showing, late and caught only the man. Off you go.

Like I said on the last page, try making a sliding tackle where your studs are pointing at the ground, it's impossible. It was late, but that's all it was, stretching with one foot for the ball. It's just a slide tackle, yellow card.

By your logic Rodwell's was a red too, as one foot was well off the ground.

[Alan Partridge]

Couldn't really give a toss about the game, I just caught the red card on Sky News. It was a late challenge, but no more than a yellow. Again, one foot on the ground, the other stretching for the ball. You really can't tackle in this game any more.

You can it's just modern pro's are absolutely crap at it. Zero technique and they just lunge in, Commons in real time looked a definite red. Having seen the replay nothing changes my opinion, he was nowhere near the ball, high, studs showing, late and caught only the man. Off you go.

Like I said on the last page, try making a sliding tackle where your studs are pointing at the ground, it's impossible. It was late, but that's all it was, stretching with one foot for the ball. It's just a slide tackle, yellow card.

By your logic Rodwell's was a red too, as one foot was well off the ground.

Whilst the laws say winning the ball doesn't matter, for me it should have some bearing. Rodwell clearly won the ball and his knee caught Suarez on the follow through, it wasn't reckless it was a clean strong challenge.

commons at no point was near the ball, his foot was higher than the ball and all he did was catch the Hearts player straight on the shin it was a reckless challenge made with 1 foot. Was a definite red card and a totally crap tackle.

[cmonurz]

I thought the whole point of the relative crackdown in recent seasons was to punish the tackle itself, not the result. In my mind if Commons' is a red, so is Rodwell's. One got the ball, the other missed. Both were 'robust' challenges.

[Alan Partridge]

I thought the whole point of the relative crackdown in recent seasons was to punish the tackle itself, not the result. In my mind if Commons' is a red, so is Rodwell's. One got the ball, the other missed. Both were 'robust' challenges.

That's correct, whether you get the ball is irrelevant. The rule is something like if you leave the floor then you are endangering the opponent and whether you get the the ball is irrelevant. This is the problem, you will get some referees that will use common sense and will let some challenges go where the ball is won, and you will get others that will referee by the book and you get red cards for what in my opinion are good challenges.

The other problem is the technique of the players. Tackling is as much an artform as a 35 yard pass with the outside of the foot. It's the only thing in 'old football' where the technique was a million times better. Yes there were some pwopa nawty players back in the day but if you watch any games on ESPN Classic and see the way players in the main would slide tackle and win the ball it's so much better than now. Now you get this studs up lunge all the time whereas then players would purposely wrap their foot around and hook the ball away or make the challenge with their heel in a sliding challenge. This artform has totally gone. Partly down to the rules being vague or changed (tackles from behind) and players wary of being sent off but also in my opinion down to tackling technique being utterly rancid nowadays.

[Bandini]

I thought the whole point of the relative crackdown in recent seasons was to punish the tackle itself, not the result. In my mind if Commons' is a red, so is Rodwell's. One got the ball, the other missed. Both were 'robust' challenges.

My recollection, which may be faulty, was that Rodwell got there so much sooner than Suarez that his trailing foot was on the ground at the time his knee made contact with Suarez's leg.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Why were Arsenal playing Alex Song at the back? Why didn't they buy more defenders?

[papereyes]

I thought the whole point of the relative crackdown in recent seasons was to punish the tackle itself, not the result. In my mind if Commons' is a red, so is Rodwell's. One got the ball, the other missed. Both were 'robust' challenges.

That's correct, whether you get the ball is irrelevant. The rule is something like if you leave the floor then you are endangering the opponent and whether you get the the ball is irrelevant. This is the problem, you will get some referees that will use common sense and will let some challenges go where the ball is won, and you will get others that will referee by the book and you get red cards for what in my opinion are good challenges.

The other problem is the technique of the players. Tackling is as much an artform as a 35 yard pass with the outside of the foot. It's the only thing in 'old football' where the technique was a million times better. Yes there were some pwopa nawty players back in the day but if you watch any games on ESPN Classic and see the way players in the main would slide tackle and win the ball it's so much better than now. Now you get this studs up lunge all the time whereas then players would purposely wrap their foot around and hook the ball away or make the challenge with their heel in a sliding challenge. This artform has totally gone. Partly down to the rules being vague or changed (tackles from behind) and players wary of being sent off but also in my opinion down to tackling technique being utterly rancid nowadays.

Probably all related - any hint of a dangerous tackle and you're booked. So you just don't. Plus defensive players do a lot more 'intercepting' and hassling rather than tackling.

[Ian Royal]

Couldn't really give a toss about the game, I just caught the red card on Sky News. It was a late challenge, but no more than a yellow. Again, one foot on the ground, the other stretching for the ball. You really can't tackle in this game any more.

You can't make a tackle which involves going through the player, especially with your momentum going in direct opposition to his, before or after getting the ball. This is what causes career threatening injuries.

The one where Dyer got absolutely clattered by Stoke had a lot of heavy contact, but it was unlikely to cause a serious injury IMO, that's why it was a yellow and Rodwell's could be argued to be a red, because whilst he didn't get the player, if he'd have missed the ball and got ankle it really wouldn't have been surprising to see a break.

I happen to think Rodwell was in control and safe... but that doesn't mean he would be if he tried it a second time. Don't think I'd have given red for it personally though.

[leww_rfc]

Don't know if it's been mentioned and I'm not sure when the match was but it was last week.. but two Kettering strikers got sent off for fighting with eachother over who should take a penalty, they were 5-2 down at the time

[Ian Royal]

Don't know if it's been mentioned and I'm not sure when the match was but it was last week.. but two Kettering strikers got sent off for fighting with eachother over who should take a penalty, they were 5-2 down at the time

whoops.

[T.R.O.L.I.]

Don't know if it's been mentioned and I'm not sure when the match was but it was last week.. but two Kettering strikers got sent off for fighting with eachother over who should take a penalty, they were 5-2 down at the time

Dirk mentioned it in the FA Youth Cup farce thread.

[TBM]

Don't know if it's been mentioned and I'm not sure when the match was but it was last week.. but two Kettering strikers got sent off for fighting with eachother over who should take a penalty, they were 5-2 down at the time

whoops.

They both wanted that goal bonus no doubt

[YateleyRoyal]

Rodwell's suspension overturned.

[Row Z Royal]

Rodwell's suspension overturned.

Good news.

[TBM]

So i reckon the ref should now serve the 3 match ban.........