Gay Players ready to be themselves?

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by No Fixed Abode » 12 Mar 2014 12:43

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by Ouroboros » 12 Mar 2014 13:55

More evidence to support Kes' point.

If that had been a heterosexual banner it would never have made it on to tv.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by Extended-Phenotype » 18 Mar 2014 12:56

Aren't a lot of pundits Ex-Liverpool players because most successful ex-players around punditry age would have played for Liverpool?

Pretty sure the next generation of pundits will be ex-United players or even ex-Chelsea - when Terry, Lampard, Cole etc. retire from the game.


As for black/gay/female - surely its their celebrity status (as well as their success) which gets them the job, rather than their sexuality/race/gender per se, all of which may have a contributing factor in how well known they are.

Many people who are simply seen as 'popular' get jobs over more able applicants. Plenty of comedians present shows they have fook all knowledge about, lots of celebs end up singing in the West-End over real stage actors, or sent on expensive trips abroad to talk about history/culture overlooking those who may have expertise.

That's just the rules of celebrity. I'm sure many people play up what makes them popular/recognisable/different, I don't think that's exclusive to gender, race or sexuality.

Tom Daily got his own show because he became a celebrity not because he was gay. Maybe coming out boosted his fame but primarily its down to him being a great athlete, helped along by being rather fanciable and a nice chap to boot.

Its a bit 'Sun Reader With Head Injury' to think it's solely based on their minority status, and a bit hypocritical to moan about it "giving them an advantage" in some applications when it has been and continues to be in many applications, a disadvantage.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

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Extended-Phenotype Aren't a lot of pundits Ex-Liverpool players because most successful ex-players around punditry age would have played for Liverpool?


Whilst that is true for some of them, how do you explain, Murphy, Carragher, Fowler, McNanaman, Redknapp, Owen, David James, Hamman? Not an English League title between them......

That's why Gary Neville is great. Won the lot.


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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by Extended-Phenotype » 18 Mar 2014 13:25

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Extended-Phenotype Aren't a lot of pundits Ex-Liverpool players because most successful ex-players around punditry age would have played for Liverpool?


Whilst that is true for some of them, how do you explain, Murphy, Carragher, Fowler, McNanaman, Redknapp, Owen, David James, Hamman? Not an English League title between them......


Easy. Like I said - celebrity. Lot of famous folk in that list, regardless of whether they won trophies or not. Lot of good players there too.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by stealthpapes » 18 Mar 2014 13:41

TBF, a lot of the comparable United players from that era (1995 - 1999) are either only just retired/retiring (Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, P. Neville) or have had a crack at management (Hughes, Keane, Bruce, Ince).

I'd guess I'd also suggest that United had fewer celebrities than the Liverpool side of the era- sure, great players, but Fergie didn't tolerate people being big off-field names. A small thing, really.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by No Fixed Abode » 18 Mar 2014 13:47

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Extended-Phenotype Aren't a lot of pundits Ex-Liverpool players because most successful ex-players around punditry age would have played for Liverpool?


Whilst that is true for some of them, how do you explain, Murphy, Carragher, Fowler, McNanaman, Redknapp, Owen, David James, Hamman? Not an English League title between them......


Easy. Like I said - celebrity. Lot of famous folk in that list, regardless of whether they won trophies or not. Lot of good players there too.


I would rather listen to a pundit who has won everything in their career. I value their opinion more.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by Extended-Phenotype » 18 Mar 2014 13:48

stealthpapes TBF, a lot of the comparable United players from that era (1995 - 1999) are either only just retired/retiring (Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, P. Neville) or have had a crack at management (Hughes, Keane, Bruce, Ince).

I'd guess I'd also suggest that United had fewer celebrities than the Liverpool side of the era- sure, great players, but Fergie didn't tolerate people being big off-field names. A small thing, really.


Tis a good point though, tbh.


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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by Extended-Phenotype » 18 Mar 2014 13:54

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Easy. Like I said - celebrity. Lot of famous folk in that list, regardless of whether they won trophies or not. Lot of good players there too.


I would rather listen to a pundit who has won everything in their career. I value their opinion more.


I'd rather listen to Stephen Hawking than Brian Cox on the subject of physics but that's not how TV works mate. Better to get the broader appeal of someone who is expert enough, recognisable enough, sexy enough and successful enough, who can present well enough, than just look at the medals. Not even sure if more medals means more expertise tbh. Would you say David Beckham is more knowledgeable than Frank Lampard?

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by sandman » 18 Mar 2014 14:40

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Extended-Phenotype Aren't a lot of pundits Ex-Liverpool players because most successful ex-players around punditry age would have played for Liverpool?


Whilst that is true for some of them, how do you explain, Murphy, Carragher, Fowler, McNanaman, Redknapp, Owen, David James, Hamman? Not an English League title between them......


Easy. Like I said - celebrity. Lot of famous folk in that list, regardless of whether they won trophies or not. Lot of good players there too.


No Fixed Abode I would rather listen to a pundit who has won everything in their career. I value their opinion more.


So presumably you have no problem listening to the opinions of a player who won two La Liga Titles, two Champions League winners medals (with a man of the match performance in one of the finals) and played with some of the greatest players of the last 20 years?

Don't bother pointing to the English league title caveat, it's clear you put it in there to weasel your way of the McManaman issue.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by No Fixed Abode » 18 Mar 2014 15:11

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Easy. Like I said - celebrity. Lot of famous folk in that list, regardless of whether they won trophies or not. Lot of good players there too.


I would rather listen to a pundit who has won everything in their career. I value their opinion more.


I'd rather listen to Stephen Hawking than Brian Cox on the subject of physics but that's not how TV works mate. Better to get the broader appeal of someone who is expert enough, recognisable enough, sexy enough and successful enough, who can present well enough, than just look at the medals. Not even sure if more medals means more expertise tbh. Would you say David Beckham is more knowledgeable than Frank Lampard?


At least both of them have won titles.

Gary Neville is a much better pundit than Carragher imo. You can also understand him.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by No Fixed Abode » 18 Mar 2014 15:14

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So presumably you have no problem listening to the opinions of a player who won two La Liga Titles, two Champions League winners medals (with a man of the match performance in one of the finals) and played with some of the greatest players of the last 20 years?

Don't bother pointing to the English league title caveat, it's clear you put it in there to weasel your way of the McManaman issue.


I'd value McManaman's opinion more had he won the PL title. As it stands he'd be better suited to the Spanish Football coverage.


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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by Extended-Phenotype » 18 Mar 2014 16:01

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At least both of them have won titles.

Gary Neville is a much better pundit than Carragher imo. You can also understand him.


Deffo agree on the latter. But for me it has nothing to do with how many titles they have won. Still think it's a bit of a strange preference; either they are/were a good player and are articulate about the game or they aren't - however, it's pretty obvious this opinion of yours has more to do with Liverpool than anything else, quelle surprise! :lol:

Out of interest, a question I've asked before but didn't get a response for some reason - what is behind this consuming agitation with Liverpool?

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by maffff » 18 Mar 2014 16:41

Missed opportunity on P4 to post pics of the fittest female pundits/presenters from around the world.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by stealthpapes » 18 Mar 2014 16:48

But even with all this 'debate', I'm not entirely sure number of titles really correlates to incision of punditry, understanding of tactics or rules of the game, eloquence or a hundred other things that make a pundit a good one.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by Pepe the Horseman » 18 Mar 2014 16:50

maffff Missed opportunity on P4 to post pics of the fittest female pundits/presenters from around the world.

Shakin' my head bros.

Take that shit to the hetro thread.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by Extended-Phenotype » 18 Mar 2014 17:03

stealthpapes But even with all this 'debate', I'm not entirely sure number of titles really correlates to incision of punditry, understanding of tactics or rules of the game, eloquence or a hundred other things that make a pundit a good one.


Pretty much what I was getting at. Not even convinced number of titles correlates to how good an individual footballer you are either, seeing as they are team awards.

Unless Kes is suggesting entire football teams simultaneously present Match of The Day, his point is a bit daft.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by maffff » 18 Mar 2014 17:11

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maffff Missed opportunity on P4 to post pics of the fittest female pundits/presenters from around the world.

Shakin' my head bros.

Take that shit to the hetro thread.


Effort.

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Re: Gay Players ready to be themselves?

by soggy biscuit » 18 Mar 2014 18:15

Extended-Phenotype Out of interest, a question I've asked before but didn't get a response for some reason - what is behind this consuming agitation with Liverpool?


The more he tries to convince people he hates liverpool the more of a diehard Chelsea fan he thinks he looks. Oddly though he has chosen a club to hate that doesnt spend a second even thinking about his so it doesnt have the desired effect.

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