Weekend Football

[Sanguine]

https://twitter.com/collinabanter/status/1744200504379351464

Arguably a Liverpool bias behind the creation of this clip, but nevertheless it deals with facts. It is the inconsistency of referees' use of rules on dissent that makes them so maddening. Players arms flailing, gesticulating, shouting at the referee, throwing the ball away - and yet only one of the four results in a booking.

Dalot got sent off for doing what Odegard did on the second one

Yep. And Van Dijk sent off for just saying things that the ref didn't happen to like.

[Franchise FC]

https://twitter.com/collinabanter/status/1744200504379351464

Arguably a Liverpool bias behind the creation of this clip, but nevertheless it deals with facts. It is the inconsistency of referees' use of rules on dissent that makes them so maddening. Players arms flailing, gesticulating, shouting at the referee, throwing the ball away - and yet only one of the four results in a booking.

Dalot got sent off for doing what Odegard did on the second one

Yep. And Van Dijk sent off for just saying things that the ref didn't happen to like.

When was that ?
This season ?
If so, the only red for VVD i can remember was against Newcastle and that was for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity

Or have I missed another one ?

[Sanguine]

Dalot got sent off for doing what Odegard did on the second one

Yep. And Van Dijk sent off for just saying things that the ref didn't happen to like.

When was that ?
This season ?
If so, the only red for VVD i can remember was against Newcastle and that was for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity

Or have I missed another one ?

No, same incident although I got muddled - the red card was for denying a goalscoring opportunity, but he got an extra game ban for his 'enquiry' to the referee. Referee John Brooks felt 'insulted'.

[Sutekh]

Yep. And Van Dijk sent off for just saying things that the ref didn't happen to like.

When was that ?
This season ?
If so, the only red for VVD i can remember was against Newcastle and that was for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity

Or have I missed another one ?

No, same incident although I got muddled - the red card was for denying a goalscoring opportunity, but he got an extra game ban for his 'enquiry' to the referee. Referee John Brooks felt 'insulted'.

Sure a number of players and managers must have felt equally 'insulted' by some of the farcical VAR decisions so far this season, don't seem to see too many of those referees getting immediate bans and suspensions.

[Snowflake Royal]

When you see players try and stay on their feet and mess up their cross / shot because they've been knocked off balance, 95% of the time the ref gives nothing. They need to be rewarded for staying on their feet

hugely disagree, and I feel that is part of the problem of where football has gone. Its a contact sport, making the opponent go off balance because you are trying to get the ball is fine. If you can't even do that then its just a non contact sport.

Penalties are also obscenely valuable. There is virtually nothing a player can do in open play to create a better chance. So why bother trying when you can go down and win a penalty? Even if it's soft, it's worth the odds. I'm not suggesting changing the rules for indirect free kicks, just saying it like it is. Comes back to refs giving the penalty even if they stay on their feet; take away the incentive.

Agree that an issue has now been created where penalties are given so easily but have a high value and can often end up deciding the game. Needs a rethink imo, with indirect free kicks being one reasonable solution

Well no, because it's the type of contact that is an offence.

You wouldn't give a foul for shoulder to shoulder where someone loses balance, because shoulder to shoulder is fine. You would give a foul for a lunged challenge that isn't an attempt to play the ball that makes the player stumble, if there is no advantage to be played.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Off topic, but what happened to the instant yellows for dissent? Lasted like two weeks.

[genome]

1 billion pounds

[LUX]

Who allowed the EFL cup semifinal non event to be over two legs?

I was about to feel all warm inside about Chelsea going out to Middlesbrough, but they still have the home leg to go

[Pepe the Horseman]

Who allowed the EFL cup semifinal non event to be over two legs?

I was about to feel all warm inside about Chelsea going out to Middlesbrough, but they still have the home leg to go

Ha yep, wasn't until the last 5 mins I realised there was another leg.

[Sutekh]

Who allowed the EFL cup semifinal non event to be over two legs?

I was about to feel all warm inside about Chelsea going out to Middlesbrough, but they still have the home leg to go

Ha yep, wasn't until the last 5 mins I realised there was another leg.

Agree. The big sides go on about the "hardship" of having to play a replay in the FA Cup which the authorities seem only too happy to go along with to cheapen that competition as much as possible yet this 2 leg easily droppable waste of time persists.

[Sanguine]

Off topic, but what happened to the instant yellows for dissent? Lasted like two weeks.

As I said above, and much like the supposed 'crackdown' on pushing and shoving in the box at set pieces, it lasted only a few weeks because PGMOL soon realised they'd be sending off two or three players every match. Back then, referees realised they didn't want to send off Martin Skrtel every game.

[Sanguine]

Whilst only a first leg, this is apparently the first time in 18 semi-final ties that Thiago Silva has been on the losing side.

[Hendo]

Who allowed the EFL cup semifinal non event to be over two legs?

I was about to feel all warm inside about Chelsea going out to Middlesbrough, but they still have the home leg to go

Based on Chelsea's recent performances, I don't think it'll matter all too much...

[Sanguine]

I'll say it again, Nunez must be doing this on purpose. Two more efforts last night went inches wide, two more hit the keeper in the face/groin. Just wide, or straight at the keeper. It's uncanny.

Tbf to Nunez he made a difference when he came on, he's a handful of a player. Just can't finish.

[Winston Biscuit]

I'll say it again, Nunez must be doing this on purpose. Two more efforts last night went inches wide, two more hit the keeper in the face/groin. Just wide, or straight at the keeper. It's uncanny.

Tbf to Nunez he made a difference when he came on, he's a handful of a player. Just can't finish.

reckon he should go the way of Joelinton, as in, recognise that he has talent but just not in finishing, so don't play him as far up the pitch in the future to see how he gets on?

[Sanguine]

I'll say it again, Nunez must be doing this on purpose. Two more efforts last night went inches wide, two more hit the keeper in the face/groin. Just wide, or straight at the keeper. It's uncanny.

Tbf to Nunez he made a difference when he came on, he's a handful of a player. Just can't finish.

reckon he should go the way of Joelinton, as in, recognise that he has talent but just not in finishing, so don't play him as far up the pitch in the future to see how he gets on?

He certainly looked dangerous coming in from the left flank. Gave Castagne all sorts of problems, which few attackers have this season.

Both ties all to play for though, Fulham will fancy their chances under the lights at the Cottage.

[Sanguine]

Also, enjoyed David Coote calling Andreas Pereira's bluff. Pereira was rolling around like he'd been shot, for the second time in the match, so Coote called the Fulham physios on swiftly. The player clocked it and tried to get up, but ref told him to go off the field, and then waited a good 45 seconds or so before allowing him back on. Well played, ref.

[Orion1871]

Also, enjoyed David Coote calling Andreas Pereira's bluff. Pereira was rolling around like he'd been shot, for the second time in the match, so Coote called the Fulham physios on swiftly. The player clocked it and tried to get up, but ref told him to go off the field, and then waited a good 45 seconds or so before allowing him back on. Well played, ref.

Shame he can't spot dangerous tackles.

[Ascotexgunner]

Can't remember seeing a worse decision than that Leicester penalty decision. The guy clearly got the ball way ahead of the attacker.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Cracking game at St James'.