European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Stranded » 07 Nov 2023 07:59

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They won their first 3 games (2 league, 1 cup) but since then things have gone south, fast. Their 3-0 home defeat to Eintracht being their 12th straight defeat across League, Cup and Champions League.

They scored 12 goals in the first 3 games, managing just 6 since and failing to trouble the scorers in 8 of those 12 defeats.

Somehow though, those 2 early wins are still enough to keep them out of the bottom 2.

In the 2.Bundesliga, it is currently a Hamburg 1,2 with St Pauli leading the way, 2 points clear of HSV. Schlake finally seem to be waking up the danger of back to back relegations and have won their last 2.


Crikey. What on earth has happened?

And they have Leverkusen, Bayern and Napoli in their next four.


Lots of theories but no-one can really put their finger on it - they have been unlucky in some games but generally they have lost games comfortably and deservedly.

In terms of theories - rumours that buying a couple of bigger names to go with the CL qualification has caused a bit of upset in the changing room - they bought in the likes of Gosens from Inter, Volland from Monaco and an aging Leonardo Bonucci from Juve, all 3 earning a decent wedge more than those who have taken the club to the CL.

These signings were made as the squad simply wasn't big enough to cope with the rigours of the Bundesliga, DFB Pokal and the CL. Results suggest that may still be the case with the quality outside the first 11 not being quite good enough.

Fixtures haven't helped too - they have Real & Napoli in their CL group and were unlucky not to get a point in both games, the home game against Braga was an upset, lost in the 94th min. Their first 2 games saw wins against fellow strugglers Darmstadt & Mainz but their recent run has seen them play every team from 3rd through 7th. Probably doesn't help that they are having to play CL games at the Olympic Stadium rather than their own ground.

Overall, it just seems like a massive readjustment to where they should be in the pecking order - they shouldn't go down as they will pick up enough points from the teams around them to, at worst, be in the relegation play-off - which they should win. The reaction has been calm by fans and club alike, there is absolutely no pressure on the manager at this stage and the players are still being treated as heroes for their efforts both this season and last. I guess that is a positive impact of the club having been as low as the North East Regional leagues as recently as 2005/06.

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Stranded » 10 Nov 2023 07:54

Union finally stop the losing rot with a 1-1 in Naples, picking up their first even CL point in the process.

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Sanguine » 10 Nov 2023 10:57

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Orion1871 At 17 years old Endrick, who will join Real Madrid from Palmeiras after his 18th birthday, is the youngest player to be called up for Brazil's senior team since Ronaldo in 1993.


Hendrick? !


Mad how young players start in the South American leagues. Outrageous talent. Endrick is 17 years and 3 months old and has made 55 senior appearances already. Vinicius Jr played 69 games for Flamengo before he turned 18.

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by South Coast Royal » 10 Nov 2023 16:40

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Orion1871 At 17 years old Endrick, who will join Real Madrid from Palmeiras after his 18th birthday, is the youngest player to be called up for Brazil's senior team since Ronaldo in 1993.


Hendrick? !


Mad how young players start in the South American leagues. Outrageous talent. Endrick is 17 years and 3 months old and has made 55 senior appearances already. Vinicius Jr played 69 games for Flamengo before he turned 18.


Not unknown here.
Bellingham, Wilshere, Lennon and Elliott debuted at age 16 as did the great Duncan Edwards and Wayne Rooney.

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by From Despair To Where? » 11 Nov 2023 09:17

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Orion1871 At 17 years old Endrick, who will join Real Madrid from Palmeiras after his 18th birthday, is the youngest player to be called up for Brazil's senior team since Ronaldo in 1993.


Hendrick? !


Mad how young players start in the South American leagues. Outrageous talent. Endrick is 17 years and 3 months old and has made 55 senior appearances already. Vinicius Jr played 69 games for Flamengo before he turned 18.


In Brazil, they play in the National Championship and the State Championship, about 70 games a year and the big clubs effectively have 2 squads.

In the State championships, the big clubs are playing against lower league teams. Imagine a Berkshire championship involving the 16 best teams in Berkshire. We'd be fielding the youngsters against against Step 8 teams.


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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Orion1871 » 12 Nov 2023 05:40

Orion1871 At 17 years old Endrick, who will join Real Madrid from Palmeiras after his 18th birthday, is the youngest player to be called up for Brazil's senior team since Ronaldo in 1993.


He is also now the first player at the age of 17 or under to score at least 9 goals in the Brasileirão since Neymar in 2009. Endrick has 9 goals with 4 games remaining in the Brasileirão 2023. Neymar scored 10 goals in Brasileirão 2009.

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Sanguine » 13 Nov 2023 08:55

Some remarkable winning runs continuing, and one has come to a complete halt.

Leverkusen now on 12 in a row in all competitions, following a 7th-straight Bundesliga win. PSV not so good in Europe but have now won all 12 of their Eredivisie games. But Fenerbache, who won their first 17 games in all competitions have now failed to win any of their last three.

Serhou Guirassy returned from a couple of weeks injured for Stuttgart and scored from the spot, he has 15 in just nine league games this season. Sits behind Harry Kane of course, who has 17 in 11 matches, after another double.

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Stranded » 13 Nov 2023 10:44

Eintracht keep their very decent start to the season going - coming back from 2-0 down to draw in Bremen. Just 1 defeat in the league and 1 in the UECL to date, though they have already qualified for the knock-out stages in the latter.

Nice to have an affiliation with a club that seems to know what it is doing.

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Orion1871 » 13 Nov 2023 18:29

No player in Europe's top five leagues has created more chances this season than Isco (41). Back to his best.


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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Winston Biscuit » 22 Nov 2023 16:01

last game of the Swedish season 10 days ago where 2nd place Malmo played top of the table Elfsborg. With half an hour left of the season Malmo scored and went on to win 1-0, overtaking Elfsborg and becoming champions

Cue pitch invasion
https://twitter.com/RorySmith/status/1723749250213822876

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Winston Biscuit » 24 Nov 2023 08:48

Was just reading the golden shoe article on the BBC website and it shows Amahl Pellegrino of Bodo/Glimt leading the way (because the scandi leagues have played an entire season this year as its too cold to play over winter there), and he plays for the Norwegian champions and has just completed his 2nd prolific season in a row, with 25 in 27 in 2022 and now 23 in 27. He was also runner up in the goalscorer charts in 2020 in Norway scoring 25 in 29

Yet he has never been called up to play international football

Intrigued to know why but an internet search doesn't give me an answer. Maybe he just doesn't want to play, maybe he opted for his parents country of Tanzania but that didn't work out, or maybe there is a really obvious reason why and I just haven't spotted it, which would be rather embarrassing. With Haaland missing from their squad in the last match the forward they did play don't look particularly great. So why not this guy?!

he is the one who scored the great goal on the opening day of the Norwegian season earlier this year that went around the WWW somewhat

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Winston Biscuit » 24 Nov 2023 08:51

Derby D'Italia this weekend (Juve Vs Inter) and they are 1st and 2nd in the league right now too!

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Winston Biscuit » 26 Nov 2023 12:30

15 year old played for AC Milan yesterday, becoming the youngest ever Serie A player


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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Winston Biscuit » 27 Nov 2023 12:13

Great title race going on in Turkey
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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Hendo » 27 Nov 2023 12:30

That'll be a quiet night at the library when they play each other.

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Winston Biscuit » 27 Nov 2023 12:40

Hendo That'll be a quiet night at the library when they play each other.


Dec 24th!

an old Turkish workmate of mine used to go back to Istanbul a few times a year and always went to a Galatasaray game when he was there, making sure the derby was always one of them. He whatsapped me some pics from the game when he was there 4-5 years ago. Said it was nuts. He also attended RFC games, and said it was somewhat quieter

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Winston Biscuit » 27 Nov 2023 16:05

**non Europe alert**

3 games left in Brazilian Serie A

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Winston Biscuit » 27 Nov 2023 16:05

also, Vasco are 1 point above relegation, and Santos are 2 points above relegation

in case it helps you pick a team:

Palmeiras - Endrick
Flamengo - David Luiz
Botafogo - Diego Costa
Atletico Mineiro - Hulk
Gremio - Luis Suarez
Bragantino - I got no one, but they were bought by Red Bull 3 years ago and they restarted the club, so I guess we are meant to not like them

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by NathStPaul » 27 Nov 2023 16:57

Hulk is still going?

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Re: European Leagues Thread 2012/2013

by Winston Biscuit » 29 Nov 2023 11:42

heads up - I am going to be posting some football maps from countries all over the world soonish. been looking at some lovely ones recently.

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