Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Wimb » 30 Jan 2012 14:38

Had to say I felt the tone of the Pompy article was very much 'it's not our fault' and as previously mentioned fails to really point the finger at the regime that put them into debt in the first place, choosing instead to direct ire at the false prophets who failed to dig them out of that hole. :|

It's harsh to wish a club go under but if Portsmouth survive then it spits in the face of all clubs who have played the game honestly over the past few years and resisted the temptation to spend beyond their means.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Svlad Cjelli » 30 Jan 2012 14:40

Sadly, most supporters don't think about the due diligence and the bona fides of owners until *after* it's all gone horribly wrong.

But what power did they have to do anything about how their club was being run and who owned it - apart from to walk away?

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by Tony Le Mesmer » 30 Jan 2012 14:56

Svlad Cjelli Sadly, most supporters don't think about the due diligence and the bona fides of owners until *after* it's all gone horribly wrong.

But what power did they have to do anything about how their club was being run and who owned it - apart from to walk away?


No power at all SC. Which kind of sums the whole thing up. Supporters seem to think they have a right to say how the club should be run. They dont. There is barely a club that exists for the benefit of its "members" any more. Football Clubs as they were designed to be died a long long time ago.

We could all stay away if we aren't happy in some form of strike, but fans cant bring themselves round to the idea. Not for 2 decades probably. Football has now changed so much it would take some kind of nationwide coordination amongst fans to make themslevs heard. Personally, i dont think the average fan really loves their club as much as they think. They are more than happy to turn up, watch the game and go home to Sky Sports like a bunch of robots. If they really cared, they would do a hell of a lot more to show it. But they dont.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Uke » 30 Jan 2012 14:57

Tony Le Mesmer We could all stay away if we aren't happy in some form of strike, but fans cant bring themselves round to the idea. Not for 2 decades probably. Football has now changed so much it would take some kind of nationwide coordination amongst fans to make themslevs heard. Personally, i dont think the average fan really loves their club as much as they think. They are more than happy to turn up, watch the game and go home to Sky Sports like a bunch of robots. If they really cared, they would do a hell of a lot more to show it. But they dont.


Occupy Lancaster Gate!

They could move there from St Pauls

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Tony Le Mesmer » 30 Jan 2012 15:11

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Tony Le Mesmer We could all stay away if we aren't happy in some form of strike, but fans cant bring themselves round to the idea. Not for 2 decades probably. Football has now changed so much it would take some kind of nationwide coordination amongst fans to make themslevs heard. Personally, i dont think the average fan really loves their club as much as they think. They are more than happy to turn up, watch the game and go home to Sky Sports like a bunch of robots. If they really cared, they would do a hell of a lot more to show it. But they dont.


Occupy Lancaster Gate!

They could move there from St Pauls


I get the tube to lancaster Gate daily. Might stage a 1 man sit in!

By the way im not pointing the finger with the above, just saying it the way I see it. There was a time when I really really cared, but today not so much.


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by Barry the bird boggler » 30 Jan 2012 15:12

Didn't the FA move from Lancaster Gate a while ago?

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Svlad Cjelli » 30 Jan 2012 15:12

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Tony Le Mesmer We could all stay away if we aren't happy in some form of strike, but fans cant bring themselves round to the idea. Not for 2 decades probably. Football has now changed so much it would take some kind of nationwide coordination amongst fans to make themslevs heard. Personally, i dont think the average fan really loves their club as much as they think. They are more than happy to turn up, watch the game and go home to Sky Sports like a bunch of robots. If they really cared, they would do a hell of a lot more to show it. But they dont.


Occupy Lancaster Gate!

They could move there from St Pauls


Wow! Occupy an office that the FA moved from ten years ago! Now that's what I call anarchy! Tat'll teach 'em!!! :wink:

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by Svlad Cjelli » 30 Jan 2012 15:12

Barry the bird boggler Didn't the FA move from Lancaster Gate a while ago?


To Soho Square in 2002, to Wembley in 2009.

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by Uke » 30 Jan 2012 15:13

Svlad Cjelli
Barry the bird boggler Didn't the FA move from Lancaster Gate a while ago?


To Soho Square in 2002, to Wembley in 2009.



Of the three Lancaster Gate would be nicer to occupy though


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by Silver Fox » 30 Jan 2012 15:14

Tony Le Mesmer Football Clubs as they were designed to be died a long long time ago.


How were football clubs designed to be? You do know there was never a glorious age of fans and board running their local team as one giant co-operative don't you?

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by Barry the bird boggler » 30 Jan 2012 15:15

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Barry the bird boggler Didn't the FA move from Lancaster Gate a while ago?


To Soho Square in 2002, to Wembley in 2009.



Of the three Lancaster Gate would be nicer to occupy though


Mind you occupying Wembley would get a much higher profile in the media....

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by Uke » 30 Jan 2012 15:18

Barry the bird boggler Mind you occupying Wembley would get a much higher profile in the media....


But outside Wembley? It's not exactly St Pauls is it?

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by Vision » 30 Jan 2012 15:19

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Barry the bird boggler Mind you occupying Wembley would get a much higher profile in the media....


But outside Wembley? It's not exactly St Pauls is it?


'greed. There's not even a Starbucks within 100 yards.


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by Svlad Cjelli » 30 Jan 2012 15:24

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Tony Le Mesmer Football Clubs as they were designed to be died a long long time ago.


How were football clubs designed to be? You do know there was never a glorious age of fans and board running their local team as one giant co-operative don't you?


Not in this country, no. But in others, like Germany, that's exactly how it works.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Tony Le Mesmer » 30 Jan 2012 15:38

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Tony Le Mesmer Football Clubs as they were designed to be died a long long time ago.


How were football clubs designed to be? You do know there was never a glorious age of fans and board running their local team as one giant co-operative don't you?


They were designed to be like any other Club. A group of people organised for a common purpose. Professional Football 'clubs' today are anything but that.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Svlad Cjelli » 30 Jan 2012 15:41

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Tony Le Mesmer Football Clubs as they were designed to be died a long long time ago.


How were football clubs designed to be? You do know there was never a glorious age of fans and board running their local team as one giant co-operative don't you?


They were designed to be like any other Club. A group of people organised for a common purpose. Professional Football 'clubs' today are anything but that.


Depends.
The Northern, professional, clubs were set up as businesses - except that the FA's Rule 34 meant no money could be taken out. The Southern, amateur, clubs were set up as proper members' clubs.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Mr Angry » 30 Jan 2012 16:43

Svlad Cjelli Depends.
The Northern, professional, clubs were set up as businesses - except that the FA's Rule 34 meant no money could be taken out. The Southern, amateur, clubs were set up as proper members' clubs.


Irony as to which club managed to break the Rule 34 given the major Footy related news story........

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Svlad Cjelli » 30 Jan 2012 16:52

Mr Angry
Svlad Cjelli Depends.
The Northern, professional, clubs were set up as businesses - except that the FA's Rule 34 meant no money could be taken out. The Southern, amateur, clubs were set up as proper members' clubs.


Irony as to which club managed to break the Rule 34 given the major Footy related news story........


Well, quite!

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by Deadlock » 30 Jan 2012 17:22

Svlad Cjelli The Northern, professional, clubs were set up as businesses - except that the FA's Rule 34 meant no money could be taken out. The Southern, amateur, clubs were set up as proper members' clubs.

"If you can imagine it, there is porn of it?"
Odd that the FA used to have that in it's rulebook.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Friday's Legacy » 30 Jan 2012 17:41

apologies if mentioned but sky are running a story that portsmouth's bank accounts have been frozen following winding up order.

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