Royalty Points Discussion

Huntley & Palmer · by **Huntley & Palmer** » 21 Feb 2007 00:35

You would be astounded to know how much money they make per annum on that phone number as well. Let's just say that last season it paid for Kevin Doyle and that is after they have paid their money to the various agencies for using that number

fridays child · by **fridays child** » 21 Feb 2007 08:05

Dirk Gently
TomCat I am suprised that no one has commented on the the Man U game. Only 41 points for none season ticket holders! My guess is the site crashes at 20:00 on Thursday

There are so few tickets available to non ST holders (by my reckoning a couple of hundred maximum) that it's hardly worth setting up bands for those few.

But will the OS take the effort to publish something along the lines of 'ST take up is such that only 500 (or whatever it is) tickets available.'

Silver Fox · by **Silver Fox** » 21 Feb 2007 08:55

Southbank Old Boy That would be true if the club didn't give out ridiculous amounts of points for things other than attending games.

STAR membership and dishing out Bring It On signs? I'm not entirely sure that amounts to ridiculous amounts of points does it?

mathematically_safe · by **mathematically_safe** » 21 Feb 2007 09:15

prob not... but 20 points for the pre-season game against feyenord?

Silver Fox · by **Silver Fox** » 21 Feb 2007 09:23

Surely that was for attending a game though?

Huntley & Palmer · by **Huntley & Palmer** » 21 Feb 2007 09:25

How the hell else are you meant to tempt people into watching it?

Stranded · by **Stranded** » 21 Feb 2007 09:25

mathematically_safe prob not... but 20 points for the pre-season game against feyenord?

For attending a non-competitive game out of season, in the middle of summer; when there are so many other leisure activities that would take precedent given that most fans will be attending competitive fixtures for the next 9 months.

Hoop Blah · by **Hoop Blah** » 21 Feb 2007 09:44

Silver Fox Surely that was for attending a game though?

Yeah it was, but it was totally disproportionate to the rest of the points allocations.

The club use it as a marketing ploy, not as a means of fairly allocating tickets to the fans. Now I'm not stupid enough to think it was ever really going to be anything else, but I do think it should be used more intelligently by the club when selling tickets on a points basis as thats what they said it was for when they set the thing up.

I also agree that STAR should be pressurising the club to use the points in way aimed more at rewarding their loyal fans. I'm glad to see from this thread that they seem to be trying, even if it is with no end result, so far!

Skin · by **Skin** » 21 Feb 2007 09:53

mathematically_safe prob not... but 20 points for the pre-season game against feyenord?

EVERYONE had the chance to go. Really what's the problem?

Silver Fox · by **Silver Fox** » 21 Feb 2007 10:33

I thought the Feyenoord game rewarded fans who were so incredibly loyal they were willing to sit through a meaningless pre-season friendly, just because they love the club so much.

Scarface · by **Scarface** » 21 Feb 2007 10:40

Silver Fox I thought the Feyenoord game rewarded fans who were so incredibly loyal they were willing to sit through a meaningless pre-season friendly, just because they love the club so much.

Bearing in mind the season ticket price increase that Feyenoord game should of been free to season ticket holders. This would of guaranteed a much bigger crowd. But the club as usual can only see pound signs.

I've been a season ticket holder for years and years and really wanted to go to Arsenal. However I haven't been able to afford all the away games this year, so even though I'm gutted, I fully back the loyalty points system (apart from the Feyenoord game conn).

weybridgewanderer · by **weybridgewanderer** » 21 Feb 2007 10:45

so the 20 points people got from the Feynoord game moved some people from 581 to 601 so they got an arsenal ticket. So the fans that could be bothered to turn up for a meaningless pre season friendly at home get rewarded when this was enough to make a difference.

And the ones that couldn't be arsenaled stayed on 581 points and didn't get the chance to get a ticket

Its not like they got 600 points for that one game and it made all the difference, people never having been to a game in 3 years getting a ticket.

Lets face it, people with 600+ points that got a ticket have been to a load of games, home and away

Volvicanus · by **Volvicanus** » 21 Feb 2007 11:39

What a laugh to suggest that everyone that bought a Feynoord ticket went to the game.

Dirk Gently · by **Dirk Gently** » 21 Feb 2007 11:41

The key point is that we, as a small club, had to guarantee Feyenoord a certain amount of dosh before they'd agree to play us in a prestige friendly. That's why they had to ensure a certain uptake of tickets for this match.

Next year, as a big club, it'll be the smaller clubs who'll be paying us guaranteed sums before we agree to play them in a prestige friendly.

Stranded · by **Stranded** » 21 Feb 2007 11:45

Dirk Gently The key point is that we, as a small club, had to guarantee Feyenoord a certain amount of dosh before they'd agree to play us in a prestige friendly. That's why they had to ensure a certain uptake of tickets for this match.

Next year, as a big club, it'll be the smaller clubs who'll be paying us guaranteed sums before we agree to play them in a prestige friendly.

That's actually a pretty good point and one I'd forgotten about.

Stranded · by **Stranded** » 21 Feb 2007 11:46

Volvicanus What a laugh to suggest that everyone that bought a Feynoord ticket went to the game.

No but they still chose to buy a ticket. Once they've done that then it's simply that persons choice whether to go or not - the club still have the ticket money.

el_presidente · by **el_presidente** » 21 Feb 2007 11:52

Silver Fox I thought the Feyenoord game rewarded fans who were so incredibly loyal they were willing to sit through a meaningless pre-season friendly, just because they love the club so much.

I bought a ticket but didn't go. because I love the club so much

Volvicanus · by **Volvicanus** » 21 Feb 2007 12:09

Stranded
Volvicanus What a laugh to suggest that everyone that bought a Feynoord ticket went to the game.

No but they still chose to buy a ticket. Once they've done that then it's simply that persons choice whether to go or not - the club still have the ticket money.

I know - but I'm just pointing out that there were an awful lot of people that got 20 points not because of some great loyalty they had that made them sit through a pointless pre-season friendly, but simply because they had the cash to spare.

Silver Fox · by **Silver Fox** » 21 Feb 2007 12:30

Surely you need both, although I'll concede you could have the cash to spare and not go, which is more cash to waste

Hoop Blah · by **Hoop Blah** » 21 Feb 2007 12:44

It still means that going to a pre-season friendly equates to more 'loyalty' in the eyes of the club than however many league games it takes to gain the same number of points.

Thats not rewarding loyalty and it's where the system falls down.

The way the club then set the boundaries for selling tickets is whole seperate problem which I think they've stuffed up again for the Arsenal game.

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