Good Old Kits

[Geekins]

Is it a bit worrying that in the training photos on the official site that there is no pictures of Kitson??

[Dirk Gently]

Is it a bit worrying that in the training photos on the official site that there is no pictures of Kitson??

Not really - the are taken on a Thursday, which is press day. It's understandable that he wasn't at the training ground yesterday.

PS "there ARE no pictures of Kitson." HTH

[Skin]

That'll teach me to read to the end of a thread before posting, sorry.

I wasn't including the reprint.

Being bottled - involved in a fight
headbutting a friend in the face - involved in a fight
chucked out of a night club for being rowdy - thats pretty close to being in a fight.

But then all I'm saying is Lita can't be compared to Kitson for this. I've stated my opinions on Lita elsewhere and I don't see the need to go into it here other than to say it's completely different

No. What Kitsons alegedly done is much worse and simply can't compare. Its damn right irresponsible for one if he is found to be gulity of committing drink driving offences.

[Alan Partridge]

That'll teach me to read to the end of a thread before posting, sorry.

I wasn't including the reprint.

Being bottled - involved in a fight
headbutting a friend in the face - involved in a fight
chucked out of a night club for being rowdy - thats pretty close to being in a fight.

But then all I'm saying is Lita can't be compared to Kitson for this. I've stated my opinions on Lita elsewhere and I don't see the need to go into it here other than to say it's completely different

No. What Kitsons alegedly done is much worse and simply can't compare. Its damn right irresponsible for one if he is found to be gulity of committing drink driving offences.

Ian Royal is completely right, it's totally different. Kitson has a criminal record.

[Schards#2]

Saying nothing about this case in particular, but I can't see how it's possible to be found not guilty on a charge of failing to give a sample when requested.

Unless there's some technicality, surely just about all such cases must be very easy to try - the Police just have to show that they requested a sample and that the defendant didn't give one. I can't think of any mitigating circumstances there might be.

And, as someone has already said, refusing to give a sample is usually seen as an admission of guilt to being over the limit - what possible other reason could someone have to refuse?

Simply by demonstrating that the police have not followed the correct procedure.

[When Hicks went up...]

That'll teach me to read to the end of a thread before posting, sorry.

I wasn't including the reprint.

Being bottled - involved in a fight
headbutting a friend in the face - involved in a fight
chucked out of a night club for being rowdy - thats pretty close to being in a fight.

But then all I'm saying is Lita can't be compared to Kitson for this. I've stated my opinions on Lita elsewhere and I don't see the need to go into it here other than to say it's completely different

No. What Kitsons alegedly done is much worse and simply can't compare. Its damn right irresponsible for one if he is found to be gulity of committing drink driving offences.

Ian Royal is completely right, it's totally different. Kitson has a criminal record.

Really? What for?

[papereyes]

Kitson has a criminal record.

Not yet, though. I mean, its more than possible but he has to be found guilty first.

[Alan Partridge]

Kitson has a criminal record.

Not yet, though. I mean, its more than possible but he has to be found guilty first.

He'll almost certainly plead guilty. Can't defend the undefendable. Don't take a test = automatic fail.

[papereyes]

Kitson has a criminal record.

Not yet, though. I mean, its more than possible but he has to be found guilty first.

He'll almost certainly plead guilty. Can't defend the undefendable. Don't take a test = automatic fail.

But you cannot say he has a criminal record yet.

Yup, I'm being utterly pedantic and yup, within the month, he will probably have one. But you simply cannot say he has one now.

[Stranded]

Kitson has a criminal record.

Not yet, though. I mean, its more than possible but he has to be found guilty first.

He'll almost certainly plead guilty. Can't defend the undefendable. Don't take a test = automatic fail.

Not if you can prove that the police had no good reason to ask for the test.

[Alan Partridge]

Kitson has a criminal record.

Not yet, though. I mean, its more than possible but he has to be found guilty first.

He'll almost certainly plead guilty. Can't defend the undefendable. Don't take a test = automatic fail.

But you cannot say he has a criminal record yet.

Yup, I'm being utterly pedantic and yup, within the month, he will probably have one. But you simply cannot say he has one now.

Fair comment.

I'm more making the point again really of the doubLOLe standards in which our players are held by our fans. You know if this was Lita for example there would be 10 pages of 'kick him out of the club'. Because it's a favourite 'he's not guilty yet' attitude is still in evidence despite the blatent obvious fact that he's guilty of failure to produce a breath sample, which = an automatic fail and ultimately a driving ban up to 18months and a fine, and a criminal record.

[Alan Partridge]

Kitson has a criminal record.

Not yet, though. I mean, its more than possible but he has to be found guilty first.

He'll almost certainly plead guilty. Can't defend the undefendable. Don't take a test = automatic fail.

Not if you can prove that the police had no good reason to ask for the test.

Nothing to hide then take the test.

[Archie's penalty]

Disappointed with Kitson to be honest. Especially with all he was saying re: bling players + his FA cup comments. He's put himself there to be shot at and then he does this! Stupid stupid man. Have lost a bit of respect for him now. Still hope he goes out and scores versus the Villa...

[Schards#2]

My best friend of the time was charged with this and cleared in court, without the use of a solicitor, on the grounds that he wasn't driving at the time and the police had no right to ask for a breath specimen.

There are many many ways he might be aquitted though whether any apply to this case, I have no idea as, like everyone else, I don't know anything about the specific circumstances.

[papereyes]

Kitson has a criminal record.

Not yet, though. I mean, its more than possible but he has to be found guilty first.

He'll almost certainly plead guilty. Can't defend the undefendable. Don't take a test = automatic fail.

But you cannot say he has a criminal record yet.

Yup, I'm being utterly pedantic and yup, within the month, he will probably have one. But you simply cannot say he has one now.

Fair comment.

I'm more making the point again really of the doubLOLe standards in which our players are held by our fans. You know if this was Lita for example there would be 10 pages of 'kick him out of the club'. Because it's a favourite 'he's not guilty yet' attitude is still in evidence despite the blatent obvious fact that he's guilty of failure to produce a breath sample, which = an automatic fail and ultimately a driving ban up to 18months and a fine, and a criminal record.

As has been said in the Lita threads - if he was scoring, people would find it easier to defend him. Kitson's scoring, playing well, so people naturally will defend him.

His performance on field shouldn't make any difference to how his off-field actions are perceived but you'd have to be pretty naive to say that they don't. Whether the opposite is true .. well, I think that's a different argument myself.

And, of course, Kitson is white.

[Stranded]

Kitson has a criminal record.

Not yet, though. I mean, its more than possible but he has to be found guilty first.

He'll almost certainly plead guilty. Can't defend the undefendable. Don't take a test = automatic fail.

Not if you can prove that the police had no good reason to ask for the test.

Nothing to hide then take the test.

Very simplistic view not taking into account the situation of Kitson being pulled over or his knowledge of the law.

If he was asked to take the test in a situation where he knew he was not obligied to do so then he had the right to say no - he may have felt that saying yes was implying a possible guilt. If this turns out to be the case then he will be acquitted, if not found quilty and punished accordingly.

[papereyes]

Disappointed with Kitson to be honest. Especially with all he was saying re: bling players + his FA cup comments. He's put himself there to be shot at and then he does this! Stupid stupid man. Have lost a bit of respect for him now. Still hope he goes out and scored versus the Villa...

That's me.

Disappointed that he has put himself in this position.

[working class hero]

How many of those defending Kitson for failing to provide a sample were pleased that Ferdinand was banned for the same sort of offence?

And I don't think Rio was ever in any way going to endanger the public by refusing to pee in a jar.

I like Kits. But in this instance he has made an error and if he is severely punished it will be fair.

TBH I hope he does NOT wriggle off the hook as a result of a cute legal argument - whilst if there is a clear reason for being cleared then that would be great. Though he will need to think carefully in future before referring to how he never goes out for a drink as he is a supreme athlete.... [at the time Lita was in trouble so it was presumably a veiled barb at him].

[Alan Partridge]

Kitson has a criminal record.

Not yet, though. I mean, its more than possible but he has to be found guilty first.

He'll almost certainly plead guilty. Can't defend the undefendable. Don't take a test = automatic fail.

But you cannot say he has a criminal record yet.

Yup, I'm being utterly pedantic and yup, within the month, he will probably have one. But you simply cannot say he has one now.

Fair comment.

I'm more making the point again really of the doubLOLe standards in which our players are held by our fans. You know if this was Lita for example there would be 10 pages of 'kick him out of the club'. Because it's a favourite 'he's not guilty yet' attitude is still in evidence despite the blatent obvious fact that he's guilty of failure to produce a breath sample, which = an automatic fail and ultimately a driving ban up to 18months and a fine, and a criminal record.

As has been said in the Lita threads - if he was scoring, people would find it easier to defend him. Kitson's scoring, playing well, so people naturally will defend him.

His performance on field shouldn't make any difference to how his off-field actions are perceived but you'd have to be pretty naive to say that they don't. Whether the opposite is true .. well, I think that's a different argument myself.

And, of course, Kitson is white.

Although LOL, there could be an element of that behind it..maybe!

[Alan Partridge]

Kitson has a criminal record.

Not yet, though. I mean, its more than possible but he has to be found guilty first.

He'll almost certainly plead guilty. Can't defend the undefendable. Don't take a test = automatic fail.

Not if you can prove that the police had no good reason to ask for the test.

Nothing to hide then take the test.

Very simplistic view not taking into account the situation of Kitson being pulled over or his knowledge of the law.

If he was asked to take the test in a situation where he knew he was not obligied to do so then he had the right to say no - he may have felt that saying yes was implying a possible guilt. If this turns out to be the case then he will be acquitted, if not found quilty and punished accordingly.

It's a very simplistic but correct view. They would have had some reason to ask him to take a test, there would have been some reasoning, more than likely erratic driving. If he's got nothing to hide then take the test, he can't use the Rio 'I forgot' line. Just take it and if your fine then it'll say so. By not taking it and by all accounts acting a complete arse he's now landed himself in all this bother.

Unless of course he was over the limit and didn't want it showing up.