silly of the club or not??

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by West Stand Man » 08 Sep 2008 11:10

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Royalshow If you arrive late to a match and buy a ticket they won't reduce it depending on the X amounts of minutes you have missed. Why should they do the same for this.


That is just a stupid comparison and you should know that... unless I'm being whoooooshed.

If you bought a 7 day holiday instead of the 10 day holiday, would you expect to pay the same?



No, but then I wouldn't wait until 3 days into the 10 day holiday before deciding I wanted to go and do the last 7 days.

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by Matt de K » 08 Sep 2008 13:44

West Stand Man No, but then I wouldn't wait until 3 days into the 10 day holiday before deciding I wanted to go and do the last 7 days.


What on earth does that mean?

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by Royalshow » 08 Sep 2008 16:20

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Royalshow If you arrive late to a match and buy a ticket they won't reduce it depending on the X amounts of minutes you have missed. Why should they do the same for this.


That is just a stupid comparison and you should know that... unless I'm being whoooooshed.

If you bought a 7 day holiday instead of the 10 day holiday, would you expect to pay the same?


No.... that would be because the 7 day and 10 day holiday are different products like a season and half season ticket .The club are not selling a 3/4 season ticket and therefore the guy should except that you have to pay the full price.

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by chandog » 08 Sep 2008 19:45

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bobby1413 That is just a stupid comparison and you should know that... unless I'm being whoooooshed.

If you bought a 7 day holiday instead of the 10 day holiday, would you expect to pay the same?


No.... that would be because the 7 day and 10 day holiday are different products like a season and half season ticket .The club are not selling a 3/4 season ticket and therefore the guy should except that you have to pay the full price.


agreed
we all know that you can either buy a season ticket or a ticket for the games you want to go to
then in january (ish) you get the option to buy a half season ticket
there is no option of buying a season ticket that doesnt cover the whole season - only the games the individual attends
i doubt that any other clubs differ on this policy
i am confused why some select twats think the club is being unfair on this issue?

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by West Stand Man » 08 Sep 2008 21:14

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West Stand Man No, but then I wouldn't wait until 3 days into the 10 day holiday before deciding I wanted to go and do the last 7 days.


What on earth does that mean?


Let me explain in simple words for you.

Bobby1413 suggested that the price of a season ticket should go down as the number of games it is valid for reduces (ie it was originally valid for 23 home games and we've played 2), hence his analogy of not paying the same for a 7 day holiday as for a 10 day one. Got it so far - good.

My response is that there is a difference between choosing a holiday and buying a ST. You don't choose a 7 day holiday by selecting a 10 day one and only arriving 3 days into it (so that you are only getting a 7 day one). That is what the analogy would have to look like. There are 2 separate offers from the holiday company - a 7 day and a 10 day. RFC also has separate offers - a ST or a 1/2 ST (which kicks in at Christmas).

Phew. Is it really that hard to understand? :oops:


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Re: silly of the club or not??

by working class hero » 08 Sep 2008 21:33

The Club DOESN'T offer the facility. That is the fact and must be accepted.

On the other hand it COULD - if it were suggested and someone senior felt it would be a good idea. I believe it did once do this for a friend of mine back in the leaner days of 2003/4. A certain BOyd Butler brokered a deal. Both the beneficiaries have been STHs ever since..... So a small amount of speculation by a member of staff has lead to recurrent income.

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by Matt de K » 08 Sep 2008 23:01

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West Stand Man No, but then I wouldn't wait until 3 days into the 10 day holiday before deciding I wanted to go and do the last 7 days.


What on earth does that mean?


Let me explain in simple words for you.

Bobby1413 suggested that the price of a season ticket should go down as the number of games it is valid for reduces (ie it was originally valid for 23 home games and we've played 2), hence his analogy of not paying the same for a 7 day holiday as for a 10 day one. Got it so far - good.

My response is that there is a difference between choosing a holiday and buying a ST. You don't choose a 7 day holiday by selecting a 10 day one and only arriving 3 days into it (so that you are only getting a 7 day one). That is what the analogy would have to look like. There are 2 separate offers from the holiday company - a 7 day and a 10 day. RFC also has separate offers - a ST or a 1/2 ST (which kicks in at Christmas).

Phew. Is it really that hard to understand? :oops:


Bobby1413 said "If you bought a 7 day holiday instead of the 10 day holiday, would you expect to pay the same?"

I see what he's getting at here.

You said "No, but then I wouldn't wait until 3 days into the 10 day holiday before deciding I wanted to go and do the last 7 days"

I understood what you wrote, I just didn't get your whole analogy/comparison (mainly because you'd simply book a 7 day holiday!!!).

Cheers anyway :oops:

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Re: silly of the club or not??

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by Harpers So Solid Crew » 25 Oct 2010 19:18

you pulled up a 2 year old thread, why??


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Re: silly of the club or not??

by brendywendy » 26 Oct 2010 18:00

St is for the season


if you only want to go after a few games, tough

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by cmonurz » 26 Oct 2010 22:51

It doesn't make financial sense for the club to turn down the offer, brendy.

This strange scenario where people who buy season tickets at a different time wouldn't happen in practice. The die hard fans who are going to shell out for a season ticket are those who will turn up whether it's Doncaster or Man United who are visiting.

The principle of turning down, say, £437 now, when the likelihood is if they do they will receive only £300 over the course of the season, is completely flawed.

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by Wycombe Royal » 27 Oct 2010 08:52

cmonurz It doesn't make financial sense for the club to turn down the offer, brendy.

This strange scenario where people who buy season tickets at a different time wouldn't happen in practice. The die hard fans who are going to shell out for a season ticket are those who will turn up whether it's Doncaster or Man United who are visiting.

The principle of turning down, say, £437 now, when the likelihood is if they do they will receive only £300 over the course of the season, is completely flawed.

But where do you draw the line. There will be people who might be on holiday for the first two matches of the season and aren't too bothered about which seats they sit in so they could wait until after those two matches before buying their ST.

It would be an administrative nightmare. It should only go as far as a full ST or a half ST in my opinion.

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by Magnus » 27 Oct 2010 10:12

If you know you're on holiday for the first couple of games you'd wait to buy a ST and the club would lose money.


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Re: silly of the club or not??

by jumpers for goalposts » 27 Oct 2010 10:48

Dirk Gently But what if the first 3 or 4 games are against unattractive opposition - or the last 10 games agaisnt the most attractive teams? That could result in a loss of income as people decide to only buy after the teams they're not interested in.


And as a result of their (the clubs) lack of flexibility, the fans may then decide to just not bother going at all. It's in the club's interest to sell out the stadium for every game, as even if they end up selling remaining tickets for £5 each, they still make big returns on food sales, replica shirts etc as well as raise brand awareness, and attract more casual fans in.

Unfortunately our club are not so enlightened- a match day ticket costs £27 if you turn up on the day. Now who in their right mind would pay that to watch Championship football? Trouble is they are so obsessed with not upsetting the existing ST holders that they feel the need to make turning up on the day a non viable option. Everyone loses- fan gets no football, club get no money. I'd also highly doubt existing ST holders would be that bothered about discounted tickets to try and fill the stadium. Part of the appeal of a ST is having your guarenteed seat, and sitting with your friends/family.

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by rabidbee » 27 Oct 2010 11:08

jumpers for goalposts a match day ticket costs £27 if you turn up on the day. Now who in their right mind would pay that to watch Championship football?


Anyone in the away end?

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by brendywendy » 27 Oct 2010 11:32

rabidbee
jumpers for goalposts a match day ticket costs £27 if you turn up on the day. Now who in their right mind would pay that to watch Championship football?


Anyone in the away end?



heard that at leeds its 35 quid or summat, and their STs are 600+ quid

wtf?

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by Once were Biscuitmen » 28 Oct 2010 16:32

cmonurz It doesn't make financial sense for the club to turn down the offer, brendy.

This strange scenario where people who buy season tickets at a different time wouldn't happen in practice. The die hard fans who are going to shell out for a season ticket are those who will turn up whether it's Doncaster or Man United who are visiting.

The principle of turning down, say, £437 now, when the likelihood is if they do they will receive only £300 over the course of the season, is completely flawed.


As a one-off transaction it makes sense but as a repeated game the club would miss out on all the revenue going forward from punters who were away at the start of the season, didn't fancy the first few games, etc but who would otherwise have purchased a full season ticket.

The costs of administration would also go up, with each transaction/product having to be tailored.

A good indication is that I don’t know of a single football or rugby club that offers this?

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by jonboy29red » 28 Oct 2010 18:41

i see the club have started selling the half price st as of today acording to there twitter feed

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by Magnus » 29 Oct 2010 14:41

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cmonurz It doesn't make financial sense for the club to turn down the offer, brendy.

This strange scenario where people who buy season tickets at a different time wouldn't happen in practice. The die hard fans who are going to shell out for a season ticket are those who will turn up whether it's Doncaster or Man United who are visiting.

The principle of turning down, say, £437 now, when the likelihood is if they do they will receive only £300 over the course of the season, is completely flawed.


As a one-off transaction it makes sense but as a repeated game the club would miss out on all the revenue going forward from punters who were away at the start of the season, didn't fancy the first few games, etc but who would otherwise have purchased a full season ticket.

The costs of administration would also go up, with each transaction/product having to be tailored.

A good indication is that I don’t know of a single football or rugby club that offers this?

Absolutely - it makes perfect sense for the club to turn the offer down as you're effectively asking to buy a bulk of matchday tickets at below face value.

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Re: silly of the club or not??

by voyager1 » 29 Oct 2010 23:57

Basically, it's not rocket science to pro rata a season ticket. As for the administrative nightmare, the administration costs are built into the ST.

The argument that people could miss the first few games before deciding to buy a ST also doesn't hold up. If you're an existing ST holder then if you renew for next season, you keep your seat. If you decide to wait then you'll lose your seat.

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