A bit worrying

[Schards#2]

But - to reiterate a point that's been made countless times - isn't that the kind of argument that was made against leaving EP? Aside from the second season at the Mad Stad - when it dropped to around the same level as it had been at EP - our average attendance has risen steadily. In 2004/05 it was c. 17,000.

http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats2/eng_reading.htm

The Taylor report would have necessitated making Elm Park all seat which would have reduced the capacity to circa 10-11,000 which, it was forseeable, could be inadequate.

It is hard to forsee a scenarion where 24,000 is significantly inadequate other than for a handful of potential games and only then to cater for additional away fans.

[John 3:16]

But - to reiterate a point that's been made countless times - isn't that the kind of argument that was made against leaving EP? Aside from the second season at the Mad Stad - when it dropped to around the same level as it had been at EP - our average attendance has risen steadily. In 2004/05 it was c. 17,000.

http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats2/eng_reading.htm

The Taylor report would have necessitated making Elm Park all seat which would have reduced the capacity to circa 10-11,000 which, it was forseeable, could be inadequate.

It is hard to forsee a scenarion where 24,000 is significantly inadequate other than for a handful of potential games and only then to cater for additional away fans.

It will be significantly inadequate for the 2nd leg of the Champions League semi-final in 2012. There, that wasn't too hard to forsee was it? Now shut it.

[Sun Tzu]

Schards is struggling to remember a whole lot of games in our Championship winning season and then in the following season....

Not sure why he adds the caveat about away fans, if 2000 if the extra 6000 seats are sold to visitors I'm not sure their money would be any less useful to us.

[rabidbee]

But - to reiterate a point that's been made countless times - isn't that the kind of argument that was made against leaving EP? Aside from the second season at the Mad Stad - when it dropped to around the same level as it had been at EP - our average attendance has risen steadily. In 2004/05 it was c. 17,000.

http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats2/eng_reading.htm

The Taylor report would have necessitated making Elm Park all seat which would have reduced the capacity to circa 10-11,000 which, it was forseeable, could be inadequate.

It is hard to forsee a scenarion where 24,000 is significantly inadequate other than for a handful of potential games and only then to cater for additional away fans.

Nevertheless, moving to the new stadium swelled our average attendance by over 50% in five years. I can remember people regularly suggesting that there was no need for somewhere larger than around 14,-15,000, and we could easily have followed Oxford's example. Instead, building the new stadium, and being ambitious, was - I think - a large part of why we have been able to kick on so effectively in the last decade.

[Skyline]

Could someone explain why it is "sad" to have this opinion?

I never said it was 'sad' to have the opinion you hold - I said it was sad that you had either

a) bookmarked the message you quoted so you could refer back to it later, or

b) spent the time looking back through pages of this stuff just to find that particular message so you could quote it.

I would have thought that was obvious from what I had said:

That quoted message must be from 10 months ago at least. So either you had it bookmarked just so you could refer back to it all these months later, or else you went trawling through god knows how many pages of this thread to find it. Either way, I just find that terribly sad.

Nothing in there about holding any opinions being sad. Not that I'd ever accuse you of deliberately mis-representing what someone has said for your own ends.

[The 17 Bus]

11-000 at EP was if they had bolted seats to the terracing, however the alternative was to rebuild the South bank, back to Tilehurst Rd as a new stand, however the overal infrastructure of the area was deemed wrong for football in the modern age, and moving was decided as the best option.

Edited after finding this report on the new stadium, http://www.royals.org/ground.html from some bloke, think he may post on here, and silly me was £15m for a roof, not £2m.

So 8000 at EP

Some fascinating stuff here as well http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=o0Bs ... 1-PA236,M1

[Schards#2]

Could someone explain why it is "sad" to have this opinion?

I never said it was 'sad' to have the opinion you hold - I said it was sad that you had either

a) bookmarked the message you quoted so you could refer back to it later, or

b) spent the time looking back through pages of this stuff just to find that particular message so you could quote it.

I would have thought that was obvious from what I had said:

That quoted message must be from 10 months ago at least. So either you had it bookmarked just so you could refer back to it all these months later, or else you went trawling through god knows how many pages of this thread to find it. Either way, I just find that terribly sad.

Nothing in there about holding any opinions being sad. Not that I'd ever accuse you of deliberately mis-representing what someone has said for your own ends.

You might want to read our resident moron Woodcote Royal's comments before venting your self righteous spleen. Otherwise you run the risk of looking like a pompous cock.

[Schards#2]

Incidentally, I don't consider having a good memory "sad" either.

It's good enough to remember regular sell out in 05/06 and 06/07. It also remembers that these were historic seasons being our first ever promotion to the top flight and our first ever season in the top flight. Neither of these scenarios can be replicated leaving Behindszu's comments rather redundant.

It is very amusing to see these people close their eyes cover their ears and shout la la la la whenever they are confronted with anything they don't want to hear.

[Matt de K]

What like "You are wrong"??

[The 17 Bus]

On top of the two seasons mentioned we have had occasional sell outs in the past at the Mad Stad was well, West Ham in 04, Chelsea in 03, Portsmouth 02, Wolves play off semi, there may have been more, i seem to recall peterboro was sold out, but as they had all the away end was not full, I might be wrong there.

Hell I can even remember a few games at EP that we sold more tickets than for any game at the Madstad. Arsenal and Soton, for a start.

[Woodcote Royal]

It will be significantly inadequate for the 2nd leg of the Champions League semi-final in 2012. There, that wasn't too hard to forsee was it?

Rather like next season's Premier League.

With a place in the play-offs looking near certain to be our worse case scenario, I guess it's only die-hards fans who stand to cash in at the bookies if we're relegated who still refuse to accept that, failing to expand the stadium (especially when we would have lost little revenue this season) could yet prove to be a very costly error?

As ever, Schards own "Ker-ching!!" means so much more to him than RFC's success...................but how far up your own backside to you have to be to have thought we stood the faintest chance of being relegated from a division that contains so many cr@p sides

No evidence of any celebrations emanating from Schards Towers following todays fantastic win.

I Wonder why

[Schards#2]

Just LOL @ hob nob's greatest moron....yet again.

[John 3:16]

It will be significantly inadequate for the 2nd leg of the Champions League semi-final in 2012. There, that wasn't too hard to forsee was it?

Rather like next season's Premier League.

With a place in the play-offs looking near certain to be our worse case scenario, I guess it's only die-hards fans who stand to cash in at the bookies if we're relegated who still refuse to accept that, failing to expand the stadium (especially when we would have lost little revenue this season) could yet prove to be a very costly error?

As ever, Schards own "Ker-ching!!" means so much more to him than RFC's success...................but how far up your own backside to you have to be to have thought we stood the faintest chance of being relegated from a division that contains so many cr@p sides

No evidence of any celebrations emanating from Schards Towers following todays fantastic win.

I Wonder why

Iz confused... When did Schards put a bet on Reading to be relegated? It is my opinion that he has already stated how happy he would be to see Reading promoted again... Not that I agree with his opinions on expansion, but still...

[The 17 Bus]

H put a bet on us to go down at some point last season, probably due to the odds on offer more than believing we would.

I think he stated that he had a small bet this season, on some ridiculous odds, however thi, if i am right is probably more due to relegated teams often doing the same again the following seaon.

[Royal Lady]

Schards won £80 yesterday on Reading half time/Reading Full Time and also on a correct score of 3-1 to Reading. Sorry to disappoint our resident buffoon.

[The 17 Bus]

Schards won £80 yesterday on Reading half time/Reading Full Time and also on a correct score of 3-1 to Reading. Sorry to disappoint our resident buffoon.

He already told us that, +1 tho

PS I made it a return of £111.60 for his £10 staked, is there something he is not telling you??

Schards's bets today:

H/T Reading, F/T Reading - £6 @ 4.6/1 £33.60p

Birmingham 0-3 Reading - £2 @ 50/1 Loss

Birmingham 1-3 Reading - £2 @ 38/1 £78.00

[Royal Lady]

He laid off some of the 3-1 at some point. HTH. And he didn't mention it on this thread, so I thought I'd put Woodcote right on here. HTH again.

[Schards#2]

It will be significantly inadequate for the 2nd leg of the Champions League semi-final in 2012. There, that wasn't too hard to forsee was it?

Rather like next season's Premier League.

With a place in the play-offs looking near certain to be our worse case scenario, I guess it's only die-hards fans who stand to cash in at the bookies if we're relegated who still refuse to accept that, failing to expand the stadium (especially when we would have lost little revenue this season) could yet prove to be a very costly error?

As ever, Schards own "Ker-ching!!" means so much more to him than RFC's success...................but how far up your own backside to you have to be to have thought we stood the faintest chance of being relegated from a division that contains so many cr@p sides

No evidence of any celebrations emanating from Schards Towers following todays fantastic win.

I Wonder why

Iz confused... When did Schards put a bet on Reading to be relegated? It is my opinion that he has already stated how happy he would be to see Reading promoted again... Not that I agree with his opinions on expansion, but still...

Just for the record, I won £500 on Reading's relegation last year at 10/1 and bet all of £2 on relegation this year at 40/1.

Not because I believed they will happen and certainly not because I want them to happen but because, in both instances, the prices seemed way too high IMHO at the time. As were the prices for a Reading win yesterday.

Clearly the concept of betting because you feel the odds are good, regardless of whether you are betting on the outcome you want, is a concept way beyond the miniscule brain of hob nob's resident moron.

Hardly surprising as this is a man who, in the face of an average attendance of less than 20,000 considers someone who argued against an extention from 24,000 to 30,000 (at a time when games were selling out) to have been proved "completely and utterly wrong". You have to be a special kind of moron to draw that conclusion - Woodcote is that kind of moron.

He did, however, give us the stand out LOL of the season by sitting in his car/pram outside the ground waiting for the team to be announced against Palace because, if he didn't get the team he wanted, he was going to throw his toys out and take his ball home and, possibly, even tell his mum. A true supporter

The irony being that Coppell only picked the players Woodcote wanted in because everyone else was unavailable and they were promptly dropped when availability improved. The LOL's then, as ever, were on hob nob's resident moron - Woodcote Royal. Long may he continue to amuse us with his idiocy.

[Sun Tzu]

It is very amusing to see these people close their eyes cover their ears and shout la la la la whenever they are confronted with anything they don't want to hear.

Indeed. And the 'dull and uninspiring' thread just proves it doesn't it....

I'd like top thank the poster known as Schards/ RL for providing so many pages of comic genius.

[Skyline]

But as RL never tires of pointing out, the 'dull and uninspiring' thread has only kept going because people insist on dragging it up every time Reading win. You can see her point - I mean, it's not like either RL or Schards to drag up a thread from months ago with a quote about a completely different season as a way to try and prove a point, now is it?

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