SC hasn't a clue.

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Alan Partridge » 16 Apr 2009 13:50

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did you see the team he inherited, who hadn't scored for 9 games, were 127th in the rankings and one of the worst ranked teams in europe at the time?

Some of you lot scare me honestly. To raise questions over his club management is absolutely fair enough, there aren't any promotions on his CV just two Fa Cup Semi's, and a questionable time at Fulham, that's fair enough. But to belittle the achievement at Northern Ireland is borderline insanity.



You scare me if you think that Lawrie Sanchez's "achievements" at club and international level are worthy enough for him to be a manager with any championship team let alone Reading - it would seriously be a step back imo.

Reading need to get in a manager who 1. will look to develop and bring in the youth players and 2. will attract good players to the football club! Lawrie Sanchez will defo not attract good players.


I'm not the one saying Northern Ireland should be winning international tournaments,having taken them over after 9 games wihtout a goal nevermind a win

I am giving a few reasons as to why he MIGHT be considered.
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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Schards#2 » 16 Apr 2009 13:51

Quite apart from Sanchez's performance as a league manager, i'd also question his style of play.

100% workrate and long ball IIRC. Not what i'd be wanting to see week in week out TBH.

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Royal Lady » 16 Apr 2009 13:51

:roll: I'll put good money on him NOT being our manager next season.

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Alan Partridge » 16 Apr 2009 13:52

Schards#2 Quite apart from Sanchez's performance as a league manager, i'd also question his style of play.

100% workrate and long ball IIRC. Not what i'd be wanting to see week in week out TBH.


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But yes I agree as well, hence my vote for Swansea's gaffer if possible!

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Hoop Blah » 16 Apr 2009 13:57

Schards#2 Quite apart from Sanchez's performance as a league manager, i'd also question his style of play.

100% workrate and long ball IIRC. Not what i'd be wanting to see week in week out TBH.


Isn't that what Coppell was known for though?

It's certainly how I remember his Palace team, hard grafting midfield (albeit with quality wingers) with a target man leading the line and then in Ian Wright an exceptional forward.

This current side is the same except for the quality on the wings!

It's the main reason why I wouldn't want Sanchez here.


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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Negative_Jeff » 16 Apr 2009 14:06

Anyone contemplating the appointment of Sanchez as manager should raise the matter on the Fulham fans website. Them cockneys know how to dish out the stick. My brother goes to Fulham and he assures me Sanchez` direct approach is the worst he has ever seen... and that includes Branfoot.

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Royal Rother » 16 Apr 2009 14:43

Alan Partridge While we are on about managers, sometimes it just doesn't work out at clubs and does at others. Is Paul Jewell suddenly a shocking manager now after he failed at Derby? This is the man that took unfashionable Bradford into the Premiership and kept them there, and then took Wigan through the divisions, kept them there and got them to a domestic cup final.

Is Phil Brown a terrible manager because he failed miserably in his first job at Derby? Now he's taken Hull into the Premiership, and looks like they might stay there. I'm sure the Hull supporters were doing Cartwheels when he was appointed!!

Looking at those, the theme seems to be to just avoid Derby! :lol:

Sanchez probably wouldn't be my first choice but he did a steady - good job at Wycombe bar his last season, did a sensational unrivalled job with Northern Ireland, kept Fulham up then not so well the next. Fulham replaced him with a really top manager to be fair and I said as much at the time.

Would Paul Ince be a terrible suggestion? He failed at Blackburn,but previously kept Maccelsfield up when they were dead and buried before taking MK Dongs up.

Don't rule anything/anyone out is what i'm getting at and just because they've been successes/failures at other clubs means absolutely nothing imo when it comes to doing well here.


As a slight aside I am confident if you did a poll anywhere in the country of who is the best manager from Brown, Sanchez, Ince, Coppell and Jewell, that Coppell would come out top by some distance, yet we appear desperate to retire him so we can see how one of the other 4 (plus other assorted less experienced "candidates") might fair.

Funny old world.

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by boy1985 » 16 Apr 2009 14:46

Royal Rother As a slight aside I am confident if you did a poll anywhere in the country of who is the best manager from Brown, Sanchez, Ince, Coppell and Jewell, that Coppell would come out top by some distance, yet we appear desperate to retire him so we can see how one of the other 4 (plus other assorted less experienced "candidates") might fair.

Funny old world.


I'd say Paul Jewell is a better manager than Coppell? And I'm not a Coppell basher

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Hoop Blah » 16 Apr 2009 14:48

Royal Rother As a slight aside I am confident if you did a poll anywhere in the country of who is the best manager from Brown, Sanchez, Ince, Coppell and Jewell, that Coppell would come out top by some distance, yet we appear desperate to retire him so we can see how one of the other 4 (plus other assorted less experienced "candidates") might fair.

Funny old world.


True enough, but it still comes down to whether or not Coppell has the heart and desire to build another team and take us forward.

As I said earlier, he's admitted himself he struggles with breaking up a team and it's that reluctance to start again that has led to our failure. Do we keep him around until they all retire so that he has to start again (and hope he hasn't already replaced them with new favourites close to his heart) or replace him at the end of the season.

His record and previous success is not a barrometer for how he will perform at Reading in the near future. He himself has said on he'll need a break at some point, it's looking more and more like he should take it at the end of this season.

Little was excellent three seasons ago, doesn't mean we should be playing him week in week out now....


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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Royal Rother » 16 Apr 2009 14:51

All fair comment HB (and I too think the time is right for a change) - but it's still a funny old world! :wink:

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Plymouth_Royal » 16 Apr 2009 15:20

taken from http://www.getreading.co.uk

...And Coppell admitted: “It is a blow having Harps out, but it is an opportunity for someone else.

“I had a new combination in there against Blackpool and for long periods in the game they looked good and hopefully we can improve on that still.

“Jem first got his opportunity because of injuries. We had a couple of dicky results and when senior players came back I made changes. He had had a few groin problems earlier in the season and that was also a factor.

“But to be fair he was undeservedly shoved sideways and then down as if you look at results and points he was part of a successful part of the season.

“I think he is the kind of player supporters like because he is so whole-hearted and committed."...

I don't understand why he drops young players performing well. yea fair enough he had groin injury as well. but he was playing in the ressies for quite a while too.

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by brendywendy » 16 Apr 2009 15:56

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brendywendy whatever the outcome, it is never good business to spend every penny of the money available


Has ANYONE EVER said that's the way to go though?

Even if the reported £30million a season for Premiership football is way off the mark plus the £16million over 2 years of parachute money + the recouped sales of players, Reading have been ridiculously tight on the pursestrings.

It's the main reason they are back in this league anyway.



no need to shout!!

just saying........

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and you forget that the "extra" money goes on inflated ex prem wages

and we'll be making a sizeable loss every year we are in this division, something all you business experts always forget.

not alot of that money will actually just be sitting in JMs wallet

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by papereyes » 16 Apr 2009 16:06

just like the business experts on here didn't include a £7 million sum in the summer in their balanced calculations as to why we weren't spending any money.

Then when the club announced they'd spent £7 million on ground and training facility upgrades, this sum was included and ... the sums still balanced.


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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by brendywendy » 16 Apr 2009 17:26

i thought it went on loan repayments?


Funny old world.



funny is one word for it


I'd say Paul Jewell is a better manager than Coppell? And I'm not a Coppell basher


based on what?

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Royal Rother » 16 Apr 2009 17:40

Alan Partridge Even if the reported £30million a season for Premiership football is way off the mark plus the £16million over 2 years of parachute money + the recouped sales of players, Reading have been ridiculously tight on the pursestrings.

It's the main reason they are back in this league anyway.


It's also the main reason we are one of the most financially secure and self-sufficient clubs in the country.

People can bleat on about opportunities missed as much as they like, (it's all fantasy as they don't know what actually WOULD have happened if additional investment had been made in players), but the fact is that we have come out of a brief dalliance with the millionaires' playground (for the 1st time in the club's history), with a Balance Sheet, a ground, an Academy, and now even a bunch of young players, all of which are the envy of most clubs in the country - to be able to say that with justification is huge testament to the way the club has been run.

Wouldn't you agree?

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by brendywendy » 16 Apr 2009 18:06

i would

i know a couple of people who wont though........

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Southbank Old Boy » 16 Apr 2009 22:35

brendywendy i thought it went on loan repayments?


I thought the books showed that we didnt make any significant loan repayments, at least not over and above the previous seasons anyway :?

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Southbank Old Boy » 16 Apr 2009 22:37

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Alan Partridge Even if the reported £30million a season for Premiership football is way off the mark plus the £16million over 2 years of parachute money + the recouped sales of players, Reading have been ridiculously tight on the pursestrings.

It's the main reason they are back in this league anyway.


It's also the main reason we are one of the most financially secure and self-sufficient clubs in the country.

People can bleat on about opportunities missed as much as they like, (it's all fantasy as they don't know what actually WOULD have happened if additional investment had been made in players), but the fact is that we have come out of a brief dalliance with the millionaires' playground (for the 1st time in the club's history), with a Balance Sheet, a ground, an Academy, and now even a bunch of young players, all of which are the envy of most clubs in the country - to be able to say that with justification is huge testament to the way the club has been run.

Wouldn't you agree?


Didnt we have all of that before the Premier League years though?

The Prem money has gone some way to helping pay it off since, but we still owe how many millions to Sir JM?

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by Arch » 17 Apr 2009 00:46

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brendywendy i thought it went on loan repayments?


I thought the books showed that we didnt make any significant loan repayments, at least not over and above the previous seasons anyway :?

Pretty much all the bank overdraft paid off, minimal payment on personal loans from JM.

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Re: SC hasn't a clue.

by brendywendy » 17 Apr 2009 09:14

thats the one
7M recalled by the bank i think

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