Seol v Kebe

[Thaumagurist*]

Didn't we lose Seol in a straight swap with Fulham for Rosinier? At the time we probably needed more defensive cover. Can't look back on it now and complain.

Who is Rosinier?

[Murts-is-Lej]

Didn't we lose Seol in a straight swap with Fulham for Rosinier? At the time we probably needed more defensive cover. Can't look back on it now and complain.

Who is Rosinier?

We certainly can complain - this guy hasn't played once for us!

[Thomas L'Heureux]

Seol when he could be arsed > Seol when he couldn't be arsed > kebe.

Seol when he could be arsed > Kebe when he's on form (e.g. Norwich) > Seol when he couldn't be arsed > Kebe on a normal day

Lock thread.

Why? Just so you can have the last say because you know you're right and no-one else's opinion matters?

Unlike most K-bashers here I think he has potential if we get the right manager to give him confidence to get his form back.

Kebe would be suited to play behind the strikers, in a free role. He's not a winger - just cos he has pace it doesn't make him a decent winger.

Why TBM?

He can't pass very well, and usually players in said role don't have pace, they just read the game well and have brilliant positional sense (Kebe doesn't exactly tick the boxes).

I don't usually diagree, but how did you come to the above conclusion?

Personally I think his best position would be running down the M4 as fast as he could.

[Hoop Blah]

Didn't we lose Seol in a straight swap with Fulham for Rosinier? At the time we probably needed more defensive cover. Can't look back on it now and complain.

We had plenty of defensive cover.

On the wing we had Little who it was quite clear was going to struggle to get back to fitness let alone form. Next in line was Oster who the manager had hardly trustes to play at any point, after that we had a multitude of other options that were similarly no good and didn't work out when played there.

In no way can I see any arguement for saying we needed defensive cover more than we needed a viable right winger. Rosenoir was signed as an opportunist purchase and with playing him on the wing in mind. It didn't work out very well unfortunately though!

[papereyes]

I checked Soccerbase and, I was right, Rosenior played several games on the right in front of Murty.

We may have lost one or two of those games heavily.

[Ian Royal]

Meh, Much of a muchness to be honest. Seol had a better delivery when he actually got going. But then he tended to play at the most pedestrian pace possible and go missing for games on end.

Kebe may have an awful delivery a lot of the time, and may also go missing in games. But he'll almost always pop up with at least 2 or 3 great runs. If someone can get him to convert even half his runs into chances he'll be the best winger outside the top 5 or 6 Premier League clubs. Sadly his creation to conversion rate is down at about 1 in 15 at the moment.

[TBM]

Why TBM?

He can't pass very well, and usually players in said role don't have pace, they just read the game well and have brilliant positional sense (Kebe doesn't exactly tick the boxes).

I don't usually diagree, but how did you come to the above conclusion?

Personally I think his best position would be running down the M4 as fast as he could.

I was more thinking a 4-4-1-1 formation, whereby Kebe plays behind the striker in a free role - he can then collect the ball and just run (Gilkesy style) and then he wont have to get back nor have to put crosses into the box.....his pace would be handy in ghosting past defenders late and onto a through ball.

[handbags_harris]

I can't believe this is being debated at all. Seol > Kebe by a loooooooooooooooooooooong way. All those people who wanted Seol out are utterly clueless and pathetic, and all because he "didn't look interested". Stephen Hunt "looks interested", but I'll tell you what, give me Seol over Stephen Hunt any day of the week.

[Thaumagurist*]

I can't believe this is being debated at all. Seol > Kebe by a loooooooooooooooooooooong way. All those people who wanted Seol out are utterly clueless and pathetic, and all because he "didn't look interested". Stephen Hunt "looks interested", but I'll tell you what, give me Seol over Stephen Hunt any day of the week.

I agree with you. Some of those people are pathetic, I remember them calling him "Sulky".

[Hoop Blah]

We've been told he didn't want to be here any more though haven't we?

We've seen damaging diseffected players can be to performances or the team spirit and although Seol was undoubtedly better than Kebe I don't think it was a mistake to let him go.

The mistake was in not replacing him effectively at the time and then, more cruicially, in Jaunary when we'd had 4 months to find a replacement up to it.

[AbovetheI]

It's ok. We got Rosenior out of the Seol departure.

[seahawk10]

I loved Seol, was gutted when we lost him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8wjoFHbEN8

We've got Seol! Seol!
Always believe in your Seol
You got the power to know
You're indestructable....
Always believe in!

[SLAMMED]

He'll shoot, he'll score, he'll eat your Labrador.

He was fcking lazy though.

[Royal With Cheese]

I'm comfortable with that explanation.

[Pseud O'Nym]

I think Seol probably was a better all round player than Kebe, but he didn't want to stay and for anyone who thinks we should have held onto him anyway I'd just say Shorey.

To those saying Henry>Kebe I'd say; Kebe on the left >>>>>Kebe on the right and Kebe since Christmas>>>SHunt since Christmas. So playing Kebe does not exclude playing Henry.

[rhroyal]

Seol left so Rosenior could join. I was happy with it at the time, thought it was a good transfer for us. In hindsight I wish we still had Halford at right back instead of Rosenior and Seol still out on the right, he's be a great player at this level, better than Kebe. Capable on both flanks too. Great thing hindsight, but truth is I thought at the time it was the right move by Coppell.

Same as the whole Simon Cox thing. He'd scored 11 goals in 27 league 1 games on loan, hardly prolific. We were in the Premiership, and in January not looking destined for relegation. He said he wanted first team football and was happy to drop a level. I wouldn't have kept him. Certainly wouldn't have put him in the team like some people are suggesting we should have. It's only now I wish that we hadn't sold him.

[Forbury Lion]

If we've got shit wingers then play a right footed midfielder, Beckham seems to do okay there and looking back though rose tinted specs I'd say even Darren Caskey wasn't all that bad on wide right.

[SLAMMED]

Only a simpleton would ever attempt to argue that Kebe is/was better than Seol.

I expect that SLAMMED will be along shortly.

Why would i stick up for Kebe.

[brendywendy]

think they are about the same
bit lazy, not interested in tracking back and doing the dirty work
seol had a little more quality-though rarely used
kebe has a little more pace- though rarely used

[roberto_11]

If we've got shit wingers then play a right footed midfielder, Beckham seems to do okay there and looking back though rose tinted specs I'd say even Darren Caskey wasn't all that bad on wide right.

John Oster fits that description and.... errrr.....