Just to Recap

[strap]

Disillusionment with Rodgers as follows:

1 the Smith transfer - its not the way our club normally does business and then to find you never had the money to back it up anyway - poor
2 the panic dumping of first team players - couldn't you and hapless hammond have done this in 'real' pre season if it needed to be done
3 the statement that the first 5 games were pre season - funny that the club never refunded my season ticket for these extra friendlies we were playing at home
4 having started shakily you get your first win at Barnsley there are signs of some gelling of the team at the end of "pre season" you then go out and acquire another 4 players (third of a team) and presumably we start second "pre season" while these bed in which the manjority have yet to do
5 Before the Peterborough game you tell the local paper you still don't know your best team - no shit Sherlock, you, me and probably everyone but Royalee don't have an idea of your best team

I have some sympathy for the loss of Smith because he would have been the player IMHO who would have seen us in mid table bickering over direction rather than hovering above the bottom 3, but you have severely tested my and others patience with the rest of your public statements and your constant chopping and changing - you now must know this season is about survival first and world class models, groups, mentalities and any other coaching b*llocks you may care to serve up are a distinct second - you still have the time to avoid becoming a second Tommy Burns but not much time.

Only just seen this post but all you needed to add was his 4billion references of the most loathsome club in the country and you'd have him to a tee.

Otherwise spot on.

I'm with you AP. BR's latest nonsensical spouting about "this league is nothing to be scared off", "we will target top 6 finsish" etc has driven the final nail in his coffin as far as I'm concerned. The ramblings of an utter clueless idiot frankly, (and God knows there are enough of them on here to make another one easily identifiable). BR has totally turned me off RFC. The last manager to do that was Tommy Burns, so he's in pretty poor company.

No longer even bother logging onto the NewsNow or Official sites as I just know BR will have some rubbish quote on them that bears absolutely no resemblance to the reality of our current player profile and league position. Talk about Hitler is his bunker or Fraudon Clown in his Cabinet!!!.

Is my memory playing tricks on me, but I don't recall other novice managers, (FSB, Judas, Quinn/Gooding), winding us up anywhere near as badly as BR? SHUT YOUR GOB BR, AND START DOING WHAT YOU'RE PAID TO DO AND THAT'S MANAGE/COACH A ONCE SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL TEAM!

[Millsy]

Dull, uninspiring, get used to mid table Championship football at best, hard to see progress for the forseeable future.

And all because we were losing a talisman of a manager and have a chairman who was not prepared to invest in the club as he wishes to sell it.

I'm amazed no one saw this coming a year ago.

+10

[Wycombe Royal]

And all because we were losing a talisman of a manager and have a chairman who was not prepared to invest in the club as he wishes to sell it.

Why would he have poached a manager who cost a lot of money when he could have appointed someone who was cheaper and out of work if he was not prepared to invest?

The difference is there is invest in a business sense and invest in a "hobby" sense. JM is running this club as a business that he wants to produce profit from, he is not running it as an expensive hobby that he can play with.

Investment is done sensibly and within financial constraints but for some reason many, including you, cant see or appreciate that.

Whether Rodgers was the correct choice is a different discussion.

[Terminal Boardom]

Disillusionment with Rodgers as follows:

1 the Smith transfer - its not the way our club normally does business and then to find you never had the money to back it up anyway - poor
2 the panic dumping of first team players - couldn't you and hapless hammond have done this in 'real' pre season if it needed to be done
3 the statement that the first 5 games were pre season - funny that the club never refunded my season ticket for these extra friendlies we were playing at home
4 having started shakily you get your first win at Barnsley there are signs of some gelling of the team at the end of "pre season" you then go out and acquire another 4 players (third of a team) and presumably we start second "pre season" while these bed in which the manjority have yet to do
5 Before the Peterborough game you tell the local paper you still don't know your best team - no shit Sherlock, you, me and probably everyone but Royalee don't have an idea of your best team

I have some sympathy for the loss of Smith because he would have been the player IMHO who would have seen us in mid table bickering over direction rather than hovering above the bottom 3, but you have severely tested my and others patience with the rest of your public statements and your constant chopping and changing - you now must know this season is about survival first and world class models, groups, mentalities and any other coaching b*llocks you may care to serve up are a distinct second - you still have the time to avoid becoming a second Tommy Burns but not much time.

Only just seen this post but all you needed to add was his 4billion references of the most loathsome club in the country and you'd have him to a tee.

Otherwise spot on.

I'm with you AP. BR's latest nonsensical spouting about "this league is nothing to be scared off", "we will target top 6 finsish" etc has driven the final nail in his coffin as far as I'm concerned. The ramblings of an utter clueless idiot frankly, (and God knows there are enough of them on here to make another one easily identifiable). BR has totally turned me off RFC. The last manager to do that was Tommy Burns, so he's in pretty poor company.

No longer even bother logging onto the NewsNow or Official sites as I just know BR will have some rubbish quote on them that bears absolutely no resemblance to the reality of our current player profile and league position. Talk about Hitler is his bunker or Fraudon Clown in his Cabinet!!!.

Is my memory playing tricks on me, but I don't recall other novice managers, (FSB, Judas, Quinn/Gooding), winding us up anywhere near as badly as BR? SHUT YOUR GOB BR, AND START DOING WHAT YOU'RE PAID TO DO AND THAT'S MANAGE/COACH A ONCE SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL TEAM!

I agree 100% with everything above. Strap's parting shot needs to be plastered all over BR's car!

[Hoop Blah]

I thought, and still do think, that Rodgers was a perfectly sensible and ambitious apointment.

My only concern was his close association to Mourinho and the Chelsea style of his time there (not the playing style, but everything else about it).

I think it's the modern way to have to build up expectations and have such a fanfare around a club like ours so comparing Rodgers speel to likes of McGee's really is a bit of a red herring as expectations and everything about the club is different. If Rodgers had come in and said he's looking ahead to a mid table finish he'd have been on a hiding to nothing.

No dounting he's made a few mistakes already, I wouldn't expect any different from an inexperienced manager, and results have been less than I was expecting, but I just think we have to be a bit more realistic about where we are and what Rodgers can do. I am starting to fear that Rodgers is going to be fighting a losing battle because of things outside of his control though.

[Ian Royal]

I thought, and still do think, that Rodgers was a perfectly sensible and ambitious apointment.

My only concern was his close association to Mourinho and the Chelsea style of his time there (not the playing style, but everything else about it).

I think it's the modern way to have to build up expectations and have such a fanfare around a club like ours so comparing Rodgers speel to likes of McGee's really is a bit of a red herring as expectations and everything about the club is different. If Rodgers had come in and said he's looking ahead to a mid table finish he'd have been on a hiding to nothing.

No dounting he's made a few mistakes already, I wouldn't expect any different from an inexperienced manager, and results have been less than I was expecting, but I just think we have to be a bit more realistic about where we are and what Rodgers can do. I am starting to fear that Rodgers is going to be fighting a losing battle because of things outside of his control though.

I think Rodgers is the only one who needs to be a bit more realistic about what we can do.

Rodgers is the one picking the team. Rodgers is the one picking the tactics and style. Rodgers is the one who is responsible for making the players make his ideas work. Rodgers is the one making poor managment decisions during matches.

Rodgers is in control of all that and THOSE are the problem areas which are causing us to be in trouble this season. I don't think we'd be challenging in the top half with a manager who knew what he was doing. But I'm pretty sure we'd have have significantly more points and not be too concerned about relegation right now.

[elrey]

Those with memories are the ones who think this is stupid. Coppel took ages to turnt he team around, Pardew took ages to turn the team around, McGhee took time to turn the team around. That is football. You want instant success then go follow Real Madrid and their invisible pot of money they don't have.

This club is not about glory supporting, this is not about having to be in the premiership. This is a club who are on top of the world in the prem, but at home in the championship now. It used to be different, some remember division 4, where all the reading fans who are really spurs fans would not be! They's be at white hart lane!

[Royal Lady]

Look - if we didn't have "world class models" "this shows our ambition to be in the Premier League" and all that bollox, there wouldn't be as much expectation as there has been of late.

If JM and BR played it DOWN a bit, rather than bigging us up, we would all just sigh and remember the "good old days" in Division 4, where we expected very little and very little was what we achieved!

[Hoop Blah]

I don't agree with the 'look where we used to be and be grateful' side of things.

I do think we need to look at where we are now and the resources available to the current manager and the situation he finds himself in and give him a bit of a break. Coppell ran the team into the ground and the club took the decision to give the remains of that squad one last chance at boucning back last season.

That gamble didn't pay off, and delaying the rebuilding that was going to be necessary by at least 12 months is why we are where we are. I've no doubt Rodgers will make some mistakes along the way, but which manager wouldn't? Was Coppell infallable? Was McGee? Was Pardew?

[Sun Tzu]

Play it down - accusation is lack of ambition

Big it up - accusation is of ramping up expectation

They'll probably get it wrong either way. best option is frankly to ignore most of it. It doesn't mean much (if anything), it's brought about becasue the media (including the OS) always want something new to write about.

it's just what happens on the pitch that counts. if we win games no one would give a monkey's what the manager says.

[Hoop Blah]

Play it down - accusation is lack of ambition

Big it up - accusation is of ramping up expectation

They'll probably get it wrong either way. best option is frankly to ignore most of it. It doesn't mean much (if anything), it's brought about becasue the media (including the OS) always want something new to write about.

it's just what happens on the pitch that counts. if we win games no one would give a monkey's what the manager says.

For once I pretty much agree with all you've just said Sun Tzu, whats more, it's nothing new in terms of the club since Pardew was about.

Coppell was obviously a bit different and his more restrained style helped a bit, but the club still came out with rubbish about being up there with the likes of Arsenal etc etc. It's a sign of the times, and the age that Rodgers has been schooled in.

I do wish he'd button it a bit, but as I don't really pay much attention to it I can't say it effects my expectations.

[Ian Royal]

Those with memories are the ones who think this is stupid. Coppel took ages to turnt he team around, Pardew took ages to turn the team around, McGhee took time to turn the team around. That is football. You want instant success then go follow Real Madrid and their invisible pot of money they don't have.

This club is not about glory supporting, this is not about having to be in the premiership. This is a club who are on top of the world in the prem, but at home in the championship now. It used to be different, some remember division 4, where all the reading fans who are really spurs fans would not be! They's be at white hart lane!

Most of what I see going wrong on a match day comes from the management. I don't want instant success. I just want a manager who looks like he has a clue what he's doing and I have confidence will keep us up with a squad easily capable of surviving.

[bobby m's syrup]

Most of what I see going wrong on a match day comes from the management. I don't want instant success. I just want a manager who looks like he has a clue what he's doing and I have confidence will keep us up with a squad easily capable of surviving.

Reasonable point! Realistically, this season was going to be all about rebuilding. Only the naive would have expected a rerun of the successes of the past few years. It's just a shame that action wasn't taken last year. The current league position is not a true reflection of the squad, who are worthy of at least a low mid table finish in a 'consolidation' year. However, whether or not Mr Rodgers is the right man to achieve that status is questionable.

[willz_royal]

what a pointless thread

[Royal Lady]

what a pointless thread

And what are your thoughts on the state of RFC at this moment in time, what do you think of Rodgers? I, for one, would be interested to know what a very young chap like you thinks?

[Terminal Boardom]

My missus hit the nail on the head this afternoon. She doesn't like football but even she has picked up that losing Murty was a huge blow because of his experience. She also picked up on the honesty of Coppell compared to the nonsense coming out of Rodgers. Now if my wife who hates football can even see this, wtf are the club playing at?