Super Super Rodgers

[Jerry St Clair]

In honour of Vision's classic 2001 thread which (correct me if I'm wrong) cocked a snook at the plethora of Pardew detractors on HNA? who'd wanted him gone within months of joining in 1999. Pardew took on a squad that had been ground into the dust during the TB1 and TB2 eras, and it took him the best part of two seasons to rebuild it.

Rodgers is in the same situation now. This team already had it's backbone shattered by the summer firesale, but the disastrous run of results has seen it's confidence obliterated. I don't know if Rodgers is a shit manager. You can't possibly tell after two months. But what would the benefit in getting rid of him now be? Perhaps a Martin Allen-type character could come in and galvanise the team against the spectre of relegation? Or, more likely in my view, RFC will plunge into a deeper spiral of decline. Remember, there'd be little or no money for the new man to spend. If Rodgers is given time, perhaps he'll avoid relegation, as Pardew did in 2000, and then build a team in coming seasons. As Pardew did in 2000-2003. It's risky, but I think it's a risk worth taking.

[PEARCEY]

You are seriously having a laugh..."A Martin Allen type character"...just look where Cheltenham are. If he has the chance Allen will be taking the Robins into non-league football. No thanks.

[Jerry St Clair]

You are seriously having a laugh..."A Martin Allen type character"...just look where Cheltenham are. If he has the chance Allen will be taking the Robins into non-league football. No thanks.

Which bit of "type character" and "more likely in my view, RFC will go into a deeper spiral of decline" did you find too tricky to understand?

[PEARCEY]

What makes you think an out and out bawler like Allen who is completely failing in management is going to sort out the mess Reading are currently in. Its not that difficult to appreciate where I'm coming from is it?

[URZZZZZZZZ]

What makes you think an out and out bawler like Allen who is completely failing in management is going to sort out the mess Reading are currently in. Its not that difficult to appreciate where I'm coming from is it?

It's not too difficult to see where he's coming from either though is it??

[Royalee]

You are seriously having a laugh..."A Martin Allen type character"...just look where Cheltenham are. If he has the chance Allen will be taking the Robins into non-league football. No thanks.

Because it worked then, hth.

[Man Friday]

I don't know if Rodgers is a shit manager. You can't possibly tell after two months.

You can't, I can. There's enough evidence to bury the man with (including signings).

[Baines]

IN!

(have you been drinking PEARCEY?)

[PEARCEY]

IN!

(have you been drinking PEARCEY?)

I was a bit hard on Jerry....sorry Jerry...but I detest Martin Allen. He is wrecking my home town club so when I see his name mentioned in any way that might be construed as positive I go on the attack.

[The Quiet Man]

I think if you are going to mention Pardew then we still have another 12-18 months of humiliation to come. The valid comparision will be when we are 20th in division one. The decline that Pardew inherited had run since the play offs and had seen the first team squad reduced to nothing much by the time Burns was appointed.

A more chilling comparision is that between Burns and Rodgers - both decent coaches but maybe not managers, and both with indifferent records in the transfer market despite some grand gestures (substitute Martin Williams for Noel Hunt and you could be watching a later model Burns side).

Some times you just have to accept in football that sh*t happens whoever is in charge - we now look like Charlton or Soton last season - no matter what combination of players/coaches/managers you throw at the problem you have to reach bottom to go up and I suspect we haven't reached bottom yet whether Rodgers stays in charge or not.

[madmickb]

Oh my god if you give this idiot any more time it could be too late to stay in this division Rodgers so far has used 30+ players and still counting, our defence is a total mess,we have no attack, the poor midfield is all over the place. Rodgers tactics have gone from bad to worse and I for one cannot see it getting any better at least Pardew had some tactics. As a long time supporter we always have our ups and downs but this is the first season I am regreting renewing my season ticket, it realy depresses me to see the demise of our club

[Barry the bird boggler]

Pards had something different i.e. a chairman who'd back him in the transfer market.

[Man Friday]

Pards had something different i.e. a chairman who'd back him in the transfer market.

bollox, Rodgered has spent more in 4 months than Pardew did in 2 years. Just look at his signings FFS! He's completely taking the p1ss.

[ankeny]

I have seen Reading under Pardew Mr St Clair and Rodgers aint no Pardew

[BR2]

Pards had something different i.e. a chairman who'd back him in the transfer market.

bollox, Rodgered has spent more in 4 months than Pardew did in 2 years. Just look at his signings FFS! He's completely taking the p1ss.

Like a lot of people I'm not sure about Rodgers but that latest comment is unfair.
Pardew didn't have to sell over £10million worth of players before he could spend money.
Pardew bought the best players available at our level at the time in Butler etc but even spending £3million Rodgers hasn't been able to buy top players at this level although Mills cost supposedly £2million whereas Chopra cost £4 million .
Pardew spoke as much bullshit as Rodgers but with greater buying power at the time the bullshit didn't matter so much so if Rodgers were given big bucks in January and next summer we might eventually survive and even make a promotion challenge.
Under Pardew we bought success,under Rodgers will he ever have the money to buy success?

[Fezza]

How much time do you give someone to get us relegated?

The man's plainly not up to the job, he needs to go so we can salvage something of our season.

[Dorset-Knob]

Martin Allen had a positive effect at the time he joined Reading, the players had forgotten who, what, where, they were! MA reminded them, he is a blunt instrument for sure and not a gifted general, but drill sargeants are useful, if used correctly.

Pardew is a proven manager with a good eye for the game. His excellent groundwork was acknowledged by Steve Coppell, seems a good enough endorsement to me.

Brendan Rodgers, is a theorist and the theory is not succeeeding, the most damning and frightening parallel is the one with Tommy Burns. TB was acknowledged by some experts as a modern exponent of the game, maybe even ahead of his time.

We are where we are and IMHO changes need to be made, we hoped he'd be the messiah, but in reality he is just a very inadequate boy! (that's in management age)

November is the time to appoint a new manager, unless of course we have become world beaters by then under BR.

[strap]

A more apt comparison would be with Bullivant. A man with no pedigree or experience. Judas and FSB both had successful playing careers and so at least had an idea of what they wanted their tems to do and play like.

Bullivant was, (and still is), a nobody, a behind the scenes grafter who doubtless had a place in a larger team as a number 2 or 3, but certainly didn't have the spine, knowledge or abilities required of a Nr 1. BR falls into exactly this category.

[Uke]

A more apt comparison would be with Bullivant. A man with no pedigree or experience. Judas and FSB both had successful playing careers and so at least had an idea of what they wanted their tems to do and play like.

Bullivant was, (and still is), a nobody, a behind the scenes grafter who doubtless had a place in a larger team as a number 2 or 3, but certainly didn't have the spine, knowledge or abilities required of a Nr 1. BR falls into exactly this category.

So you say Brenda is a good, satisfying No2

[RoyalBlue]

Pards had something different i.e. a chairman who'd back him in the transfer market.

bollox, Rodgered has spent more in 4 months than Pardew did in 2 years. Just look at his signings FFS! He's completely taking the p1ss.

Like a lot of people I'm not sure about Rodgers but that latest comment is unfair.
Pardew didn't have to sell over £10million worth of players before he could spend money.
Pardew bought the best players available at our level at the time in Butler etc but even spending £3million Rodgers hasn't been able to buy top players at this level although Mills cost supposedly £2million whereas Chopra cost £4 million .
Pardew spoke as much bullshit as Rodgers but with greater buying power at the time the bullshit didn't matter so much so if Rodgers were given big bucks in January and next summer we might eventually survive and even make a promotion challenge.
Under Pardew we bought success,under Rodgers will he ever have the money to buy success?

Absolutely spot on. Trouble is, too many are still being dazzled by the perceived sunshine coming out of the chairman's backside and some very good spin on the numbers etc.