Super Super Rodgers

[Ian Royal]

Pards had something different i.e. a chairman who'd back him in the transfer market.

bollox, Rodgered has spent more in 4 months than Pardew did in 2 years. Just look at his signings FFS! He's completely taking the p1ss.

Like a lot of people I'm not sure about Rodgers but that latest comment is unfair.
Pardew didn't have to sell over £10million worth of players before he could spend money.
Pardew bought the best players available at our level at the time in Butler etc but even spending £3million Rodgers hasn't been able to buy top players at this level although Mills cost supposedly £2million whereas Chopra cost £4 million .
Pardew spoke as much bullshit as Rodgers but with greater buying power at the time the bullshit didn't matter so much so if Rodgers were given big bucks in January and next summer we might eventually survive and even make a promotion challenge.
Under Pardew we bought success,under Rodgers will he ever have the money to buy success?

We've spent the 4th most in the league, it's comparable alright.

Pardew spent what he had fairly well. Rodgers has spent it terribly. Not necessarily on awful players, but he's spent it badly.

Pardew inherited a team that had been ground down into no confidence and abject players over 2 and a half seasons. Rodgers has players who've been ground down over half a season and who had all of preseason to be built back up again. He's inherited a squad (even with the necessary departures) strong enough to finish mid-table and he's taken them into a relegation fight through his own ineptitude.

Pardew inherited a relegation fight mid-season.

The situations are totally different and I've seen more than enough to know that Rodgers is clueless and should not be given more time.

[Jerry St Clair]

Can no-one recall the venom heaped upon Pardew and (to a lesser extent) Coppell in their early days? Remember the three in a row defeats over xmas 2003, when the crowd were virtually unanimous in their belief that Coppell was clueless and should go. No amount of revisionist history can claim otherwise.

Both Pardew and Coppell had very bad starts to their Reading careers, but so many of you choose to forget the fact that if you'd been wielding the axe, you'd have chopped then straightaway. All I'm saying is that Rodgers needs until at least Easter. We cannot damn him after two months.

[Royal Lady]

If we'd only had 3 defeats in a row, I'd be hailing BR.

[T.R.O.L.I.]

If we'd only had 3 defeats in a row, I'd be hailing BR.

He hasn't presided over 3 defeats in a row yet - our league record is D L D L W D L L D W L L - so not too sure what this is getting at

[Sarah Star]

If we'd only had 3 defeats in a row, I'd be hailing BR.

He hasn't presided over 3 defeats in a row yet - our league record is D L D L W D L L D W L L - so not too sure what this is getting at

When you put it like that, it doesn't look so bad.

[Muskrat]

If we'd only had 3 defeats in a row, I'd be hailing BR.

He hasn't presided over 3 defeats in a row yet - our league record is D L D L W D L L D W L L - so not too sure what this is getting at

When you put it like that, it doesn't look so bad.

Sarah I think you missed something off your post so i'll add it for you -

[Thaumagurist*]

This team already had it's backbone shattered by the summer firesale,

Firesale? Are you joking? We did sell some players, but they didn't go cheaply.

Having said that, I'm pleased to see a thread trying to show support for a READING manager. You're off the foe list now.

[weybridgewanderer]

I don't know if Rodgers is a shit manager. You can't possibly tell after two months. But what would the benefit in getting rid of him now be?

We beat barnsley and moved 4 clear of them?

They are currently 4 poinst ahead of us.

That is quite change of fortune, what changed?

[Bowman's Quiver]

I always felt that Pardew was a lucky manager much of the time. Rodgers, thus far, has had very little of that commodity.

Pardew also had Nicky Forster at his disposal, a player that would be tailor-made for BR.

[Terminal Boardom]

I always felt that Pardew was a lucky manager much of the time. Rodgers, thus far, has had very little of that commodity.

Pardew also had Nicky Forster at his disposal, a player that would be tailor-made for BR.

No chance. BR would have him packed off on loan somewhere to get him off the wage bill.

[RoyalBlue]

I always felt that Pardew was a lucky manager much of the time. Rodgers, thus far, has had very little of that commodity.

Pardew also had Nicky Forster at his disposal, a player that would be tailor-made for BR.

Let's go get him! Still better than most of those on our books!!

I always felt that Pardew was a lucky manager much of the time. Rodgers, thus far, has had very little of that commodity.

Pardew also had Nicky Forster at his disposal, a player that would be tailor-made for BR.

No chance. BR would have him packed off on loan somewhere to get him off the wage bill.

If he did, he would only be following the orders of JM and Hapless Hammond!

[Forbury Lion]

Perhaps a Martin Allen-type character could come in and galvanise the team against the spectre of relegation?

You mean get an assistant in to do the managers job for him because he can't do it himself?

How is that better than getting a new manager in to do the job?

[BR2]

I have a feeling that tomorrow night will be pivotal.
If we were to get tonked and the chairman felt embarrassed in the Loftus Road boardroom mixing with the very rich I wouldn't be surprised to hear that JM and Steve Coppell had reached an agreement for Steve to return till the end of the season.
If we happened to win the game Rodgers' standing with both the fans and Chairman would immediately rise so much that he would be here for the rest of the season .
A big game for all concerned but based on Tazewell Royals' long-standing (and often right) opinion that teams who have big wins very rarely repeat the dose in their next fixture I feel hopeful,more so based on this opinion than in any confidence in either our current manager or players.

[Crowthorne Royal]

Another debate (quite rightly) about the ineptitude or possible talent of our manager. I will try and add my view eloquently..

We have as always a few for Rogers and a few against, both sides make reasoned arguments:

FOR: Coppell / Pardew had poor starts and there were times when the crowd called for their heads and he should be given more time

AGAINST: Rogers appears clueless, cannot win for toffee and has assembled a very average group of players.

The way I see it is all the above is true, however, as a supporter you have to (or would like to!) see some PROGRESS / IMPROVEMENT!!!!! and I just don't see any.
BR of course sees magnificent things in every game...(He would of course marvelled at the beauty of Titanic as he held on to one of the funnels whilst drowning in The Atlantic Ocean though!) that's just who he is but I'm afraid it makes him a bit of a liability.

I could go through the team and expose all of the flaws but I wont as I don't think that will achieve a great deal. To this point do we have a team ? I don't think so, it's just a ramshackled bunch which BR picks each week which he thinks might actually work together and combine well to win a game.
We have too many average players with no real quality....How many teams in this division would want our players - the bottom 3?......maybe, but no other teams would be desparate to take Mills, O'Dea, Tabb, Howard, Church and Long etc, etc....Just writing those names makes you realise that they are all average or poor and to add to the mix you have players like Jimmy Kebe, everyones favourite 'talking point'...Before, during and after the game (where've I heard that before?) then it makes for the sort of disaster we have had since August.

So, what to do ? - BR deserves more time. I am however not in the 'give him until Easter' camp - if we do that there is a good chance we will go down and then it's (to reverse Tim Dellor's phrase of 2002 @ Griffin Park) it's goodbye City Ground and Hello County Ground, followed by Meadow Lane, The Victoria Ground, Boundary Park, The WITHDEAN!!! Aaaaagh, we MUST not get relegated!!!!

I''d give Rogers until January. If at the end of our Christmas fixtures we are not 13th or higher he should go.

Final food for thought.....We unexpectedly win @ Preston - great result...and yet the players 'don't play for him' against Boro. You have to ask why not ?

Going on Saturday against my better judgement, seriously hope he breaks his duck at home and I can enjoy my saturday night for a change!

[AF1]

Rodgers is in the same situation now. This team already had it's backbone shattered by the summer firesale, but the disastrous run of results has seen it's confidence obliterated. I don't know if Rodgers is a shit manager. You can't possibly tell after two months. But what would the benefit in getting rid of him now be? Perhaps a Martin Allen-type character could come in and galvanise the team against the spectre of relegation? Or, more likely in my view, RFC will plunge into a deeper spiral of decline. Remember, there'd be little or no money for the new man to spend. If Rodgers is given time, perhaps he'll avoid relegation, as Pardew did in 2000, and then build a team in coming seasons. As Pardew did in 2000-2003. It's risky, but I think it's a risk worth taking.

'greed 100% with this

[Stranded]

I have a feeling that tomorrow night will be pivotal.
If we were to get tonked and the chairman felt embarrassed in the Loftus Road boardroom mixing with the very rich I wouldn't be surprised to hear that JM and Steve Coppell had reached an agreement for Steve to return till the end of the season.
If we happened to win the game Rodgers' standing with both the fans and Chairman would immediately rise so much that he would be here for the rest of the season .
A big game for all concerned but based on Tazewell Royals' long-standing (and often right) opinion that teams who have big wins very rarely repeat the dose in their next fixture I feel hopeful,more so based on this opinion than in any confidence in either our current manager or players.

What about teams with back to back big home wins?

[Royal Lady]

If we'd only had 3 defeats in a row, I'd be hailing BR.

He hasn't presided over 3 defeats in a row yet - our league record is D L D L W D L L D W L L - so not too sure what this is getting at

If we ONLY had 3 defeats in a row, I'd be hailing BR. HTH.

[Ryn]

If we'd only had 3 defeats in a row, I'd be hailing BR.

He hasn't presided over 3 defeats in a row yet - our league record is D L D L W D L L D W L L - so not too sure what this is getting at

If we ONLY had 3 defeats in a row, I'd be hailing BR. HTH.

Still doesn't help. Are you saying you want us to get three defeats in a row?

[zummerset]

Some posters want to give BR until EASTER!!!!

Rodgers has to radically improve by end of November or be sacked. Its not just the twittering, self delusion, pomposity, and self promotion... its the deterioration in the performance levels, style and entertainment on the pitch that deserve better. All the character players have fallen away and Rodgers seems to be at the heart of it.

[Thaumagurist*]

Some posters want to give BR until EASTER!!!!

Christmas.