Rodgers is still the right man

Southbank Old Boy · by **Southbank Old Boy** » 30 Nov 2009 23:30

I agree with some of that Ideal

I think the tinkering with the team at the start of the season was too extreme. In Rodgers defence he had a lot of similar quality players (ie not good enough yet) that he was trying to suss out, and he also had a number of injuries to deal with

I think Mills will be a decent signing in the future, but he hasnt had a good start for whatever reasons but although he spoke out of turn about Smith we probaby could have got him if we had the money available before selling Bikey

I dont think we could afford to keep Harper, even if it was at the expense of Marek, as I think Harper was probably on more

Cummings was an awful signing, but his pedigree is similar to Bertrands (who wasnt getting rave reviews from Norwich remember) so I can see why he took the gamble

As for the style of play, I for one am happy to see us move away from Coppells ineffective percentage football of the last 18 months towards a style of play that encourages passing the ball and players given a bit more freedom to express themselves. We just need some better players

End of the day Rodgers has made some mistakes. So did Coppell, which is why we are where we are. Considering the restraints on him though I dont think Rodgers has been as bad as you make out, but then as you dont actually have to go and watch games I guess you find that hard to understand

Dirk Gently · by **Dirk Gently** » 30 Nov 2009 23:31

Ideal Well, if you must play this game then sure, I can play Football Manager with you.
I would have used pre-season wisely. I would have had the players do hard physical exercises, with the aim to have them at the highest level of fitness possible before the start of the season. Did this not happen, then? I would have avoided telling the world that Tommy Smith wanted to play for me, and then failing to sign him. Agreed - but even if BR had kept quiet it's still likely that Pompey would have gazumped him at the last minute.
I would have tried to have a settled starting XI before the season started..... No brainer, but easier said than done
...., and when I knew my left-winger was leaving, and we did not have a suitable replacement, then I would have gone out and bought a left wing. Just like in Football Manager I would have chosen one recommended by the club scouts, and made a suitable offer. What if there wasn't one available at the right price - or one better than we already have?
I would not have paid £2M for Mills, as my scouts would have told me that he was worth around £300K. Questionable!
I would not have bought Cummings, Howard and Rasiak. Hindsight is a wonderful thing - even more so when only Cummings can be deemed to have truly failed - the jury's out on the other two.
I would have signed a more experienced right back, for example Norway international Tom Høgli, who would only have cost about the same as Cummings and Howard combined. If available and at the right price.
I would have sold Cissé. To sell you need a buyer - this is real life, not a computer game.
This combined with the money I did not spend on Mills, would leave me with something like £2.5M to spend. I would have made Leeds and offer for Jermaine Beckford to the tune of £2.5M (Their asking price in the summer, I believe.) Wages are much more significant than purchase price. What were his wage demands?
I would have kept Harper and sold Matejovsky. To sell you need a buyer - this is real life, not a computer game. This would still leave me with Karacan, Harper, Iceman and Mr. Wycombe-on-loan, which should be ample competition for the TWO central midfield positions in a 442 system. Fair enough.
Oh, almost forgot, I WOULD PLAY 4-4-2 EVERY SINGLE MATCH, AND DEMAND THE PLAYERS PLAY SEMI-DIRECT FOOTBALL IN THE COPPELL MOULD, BECAUSE STEVE COPPELL IS THE BEST MANAGER THROUGHOUT TIME, IN HISTORY, he is the best thing since sliced bread. Although one of the things he was frequently caught out on was his lack of flexibility and not having a plan B!
I would have kept kebe as backup for left wing. I would not loan out Mooney and Bignall, instead keeping them on as COMPETITION for the two forward positions, since after all, we all know how injuries can occur. Or even loss of form. Yes, but too big a squad is counter-productive, and having them in the squad but not playing would mean they'd not be match fit if needed.
In fact I think I would have liked a striking partnership of Bignall and Beckford to be my starting choice. Big gamble - Church is criticised for lack of experience....
Wasn't this fun? Almost like football manager, only text-based! WOOHOOO.

Southbank Old Boy · by **Southbank Old Boy** » 30 Nov 2009 23:38

Ideal, one question you probably can answer, have you seen Bignall play?

Southbank Old Boy · by **Southbank Old Boy** » 30 Nov 2009 23:47

Ideal Honestly, no. Only in highlights. That might seem silly, but there is no way on earth he could possibly do worse than what we currently have, which is an injured Long (who isn't all that good to begin with), the 3-goal Church, and the constantly winded leaning tower or Pisa, Rasiak.

Trust me, he is worse

He has some raw talent, and might do well in the future, but he isnt at a level to compete with our other forwards yet

Ian Royal · by **Ian Royal** » 30 Nov 2009 23:54

Ideal
Southbank Old Boy Trust me, he is worse

-if he does not have a wooden leg he is better than Church
-if he can run more than 10 yards in one afternoon he is better than Rasiak
-if he can hit a barn door he is better than Long

I think I just proved you wrong

Do us a favour. You don't think.

Ian Royal · by **Ian Royal** » 01 Dec 2009 00:02

Ideal Boy am I glad you did that magnificent turnaround, you know, that thing you did, where you went from being critical of Brendan Rodgers to just loving him to death. I am so glad you did that, Ian Royal! It was so nice of you!

The thing about me, is I'm not entrenched in a blinkered view and just spouting endless stupid rhetoric.

I don't like him much and I think he's made some dreadful mistakes, but I'm not gonna let that blind me to the positives he is finally (and slowly) bringing.

Archie's penalty · by **Archie's penalty** » 01 Dec 2009 00:06

Ideal if you criticise people like Church who I believe has a big future and people like Rasiak who has actually done well recently I have definitely turned against you. HTH.

Ian Royal · by **Ian Royal** » 01 Dec 2009 00:14

Ideal I just happen to think it was a fluke, rather than getting carried away and thinking we are Barcelona all of a sudden.
If it really had turned around, would we lose to a really poor Derby side? I think that speaks volumes.
For me it's either Rodgers out or we get relegated. That is reality. Perhaps you view reality differently, but I see the writing on the wall. He was not a good appointment, and will go down in history as that.

You're guilty of your own criticism. Derby is one (close) result. No one thinks we're Barcelona. Turning a corner is not instantaneous.

Archie's penalty · by **Archie's penalty** » 01 Dec 2009 00:27

Ideal Well.. if the question is whether or not we have turned a corner or not, I think the answer is 'no'.
If we get 10 good results, by that I mean we should amass around 16-20 points in the next 10 matches, then yes, we would have turned a corner.
If we are still in the same league position, then no, we have not turned a corner.

What makes you conclude we have turned a corner? I am very curious, because our league position is not indicative of anything other than Rodgers' failure.

Come on Ideal don't be the Royalee for the other side. In a couple of games I will get annoyed again if we start losing badly but we have improved, anyone can see that.

Calm it down we're not doing that bad. We are not the team we were. I am not that excited about us as I was but c'est la vie.

Archie's penalty · by **Archie's penalty** » 01 Dec 2009 00:38

Ideal
Archie's penalty Come on Ideal don't be the Royalee on the other way. In a couple of games I will get annoyed if we start losing badly again but we have improved.

Calm it down we're not doing that bad. We are not the team we were. I am not that excited about us as I was but c'est la vie.

I'll take your advice there and tone down on the anti-Rodgers-ism, for a few weeks until we know what happens.

Btw, I do actually wonder why we haven't signed a left winger after shipping out both Convey and Hunt.

It was mentioning Royalee's name wasn't it?

I think we are actually ok on the wings although it wouldn't be a bad idea to get someone in there in January.

Royalee · by **Royalee** » 01 Dec 2009 02:06

Ideal Well, if you must play this game then sure, I can play Football Manager with you.
I would have used pre-season wisely. I would have had the players do hard physical excercise, with the aim to have them at the highest level of fitness possible before the start of the season.We brought in Halabi to do that
I would have avoided telling the world that Tommy Smith wanted to play for me, and then failing to sign him. Watford never wanted to sell him to us, I guess you were sucked in by their small man syndrome chairman's bullshit.
I would have tried to have a settled starting XI before the season startedEven if they were losing games? We had a complete overhaul of the squad and Rodgers wasn't here previously to see how shit the likes of Kebe, Harper and co are, and when I knew my left-winger was leaving, and we did not have a suitable replacement, then I would have gone out and bought a left wing. McAnuff was brought in, plus he tried Robson-Kanu there
Just like in Football Manager I would have chosen one recommended by the club scouts, and made a suitable offer.The same scouts who recommended Kebe and Oster?
I would not have paid £2M for Mills, as my scouts would have told me that he was worth around £300K. I didn't realise that football scouts were accountants and negotiators - have you seen Mills to come to that valuation then?
I would not have bought Cummings, Howard and Rasiak. Who would you have bought then? Go on, name some names
I would have signed a more experienced right back, for example Norway international Tom Høgli, who would only have cost about the same as Cummings and Howard combined. So we can't afford Liam Rosenior, but we can afford a full international?
I would have sold Cissé.Leaving us with only 3 players at the club able to play centre back with one out injured to begin the season? This combined with the money I did not spend on Mills, would leave me with something like £2.5M to spend. I would have made Leeds an offer for Jermaine Beckford to the tune of £2.5M (Their asking price in the summer, I believe.) Did you ask Ken Bates personally then? You honestly think he'd leave Leeds United to come here and get paid a pittance?
I would have kept Harper and sold Matejovsky. Wages could be a problem, plus Harper's proven his worth at Bramall Lane This would still leave me with Karacan, Harper, Iceman and Mr. Wycombe-on-loan, which should be ample competition for the TWO central midfield positions in a 442 system. So, one midfielder capable of making a tackle, one on huge wages who does nothing, and two unproven youngsters?
Oh, almost forgot, I WOULD PLAY 4-4-2 EVERY SINGLE MATCH, AND DEMAND THE PLAYERS PLAY SEMI-DIRECT FOOTBALL IN THE COPPELL MOULD, BECAUSE STEVE COPPELL IS THE BEST MANAGER THROUGHOUT TIME, IN HISTORY, he is the best thing since sliced bread. You don't remember Swansea, Forest, Bristol City and several other games last season then? Rigid 4-4-2 for the win! Doh
I would have kept Kebe and Tabb backup and competition. I would not loan out Mooney and Bignall, instead keeping them on as COMPETITION for the two forward positions, since after all, we all know how injuries can occur. Have you ever seen either play? They're not very good, hope this helps Or even loss of form.
In fact I think I would have liked a striking partnership of Bignall and Beckford to be my starting choice. So one youngster who's nowhere near the finished article and another you'd have to be in a fantasy land to think we could bring in?
I would have Antonio and Henry compete for right wing, and not bother signing McAnuff. Antonio's very raw and for all his sparks, he's only just managed to break into Southampton's team at the bottom of League 1, whereas Millwall fans are of the opinion that Henry is also inconsistent at that level, let alone the Championship
I would spend that half a million on a centre back. Possibly from Norway. Tore Reginiussen, who at 6mnths before contract expiry would be an absolute bargain at half a million. Did you recommend Elroy Kromheer as well?

Then I would use the mind games functionality on Watford manager Brendan Rodgers who kept saying his players were world class and going up, I would say he had no skills and wasn't up to the job, more likely to get a team relegated than take them up. This would take pressure off my players, and make all his players shit themselves. I'm not sure they'd shit themselves, but they might piss themselves with laughter at you

Wasn't this fun? Almost like football manager, only text-based! WOOHOOO.

Wimb · by **Wimb** » 01 Dec 2009 06:32

Royalee
Ideal Well, if you must play this game then sure, I can play Football Manager with you.
I would have used pre-season wisely. I would have had the players do hard physical excercise, with the aim to have them at the highest level of fitness possible before the start of the season.We brought in Halabi to do that
I would have avoided telling the world that Tommy Smith wanted to play for me, and then failing to sign him. Watford never wanted to sell him to us, I guess you were sucked in by their small man syndrome chairman's bullshit.
I would have tried to have a settled starting XI before the season startedEven if they were losing games? We had a complete overhaul of the squad and Rodgers wasn't here previously to see how shit the likes of Kebe, Harper and co are, and when I knew my left-winger was leaving, and we did not have a suitable replacement, then I would have gone out and bought a left wing. McAnuff was brought in, plus he tried Robson-Kanu there
Just like in Football Manager I would have chosen one recommended by the club scouts, and made a suitable offer.The same scouts who recommended Kebe and Oster?
I would not have paid £2M for Mills, as my scouts would have told me that he was worth around £300K. I didn't realise that football scouts were accountants and negotiators - have you seen Mills to come to that valuation then?
I would not have bought Cummings, Howard and Rasiak. Who would you have bought then? Go on, name some names
I would have signed a more experienced right back, for example Norway international Tom Høgli, who would only have cost about the same as Cummings and Howard combined. So we can't afford Liam Rosenior, but we can afford a full international?
I would have sold Cissé.Leaving us with only 3 players at the club able to play centre back with one out injured to begin the season? This combined with the money I did not spend on Mills, would leave me with something like £2.5M to spend. I would have made Leeds an offer for Jermaine Beckford to the tune of £2.5M (Their asking price in the summer, I believe.) Did you ask Ken Bates personally then? You honestly think he'd leave Leeds United to come here and get paid a pittance?
I would have kept Harper and sold Matejovsky. Wages could be a problem, plus Harper's proven his worth at Bramall Lane This would still leave me with Karacan, Harper, Iceman and Mr. Wycombe-on-loan, which should be ample competition for the TWO central midfield positions in a 442 system. So, one midfielder capable of making a tackle, one on huge wages who does nothing, and two unproven youngsters?
Oh, almost forgot, I WOULD PLAY 4-4-2 EVERY SINGLE MATCH, AND DEMAND THE PLAYERS PLAY SEMI-DIRECT FOOTBALL IN THE COPPELL MOULD, BECAUSE STEVE COPPELL IS THE BEST MANAGER THROUGHOUT TIME, IN HISTORY, he is the best thing since sliced bread. You don't remember Swansea, Forest, Bristol City and several other games last season then? Rigid 4-4-2 for the win! Doh
I would have kept Kebe and Tabb backup and competition. I would not loan out Mooney and Bignall, instead keeping them on as COMPETITION for the two forward positions, since after all, we all know how injuries can occur. Have you ever seen either play? They're not very good, hope this helps Or even loss of form.
In fact I think I would have liked a striking partnership of Bignall and Beckford to be my starting choice. So one youngster who's nowhere near the finished article and another you'd have to be in a fantasy land to think we could bring in?
I would have Antonio and Henry compete for right wing, and not bother signing McAnuff. Antonio's very raw and for all his sparks, he's only just managed to break into Southampton's team at the bottom of League 1, whereas Millwall fans are of the opinion that Henry is also inconsistent at that level, let alone the Championship
I would spend that half a million on a centre back. Possibly from Norway. Tore Reginiussen, who at 6mnths before contract expiry would be an absolute bargain at half a million. Did you recommend Elroy Kromheer as well?

Then I would use the mind games functionality on Watford manager Brendan Rodgers who kept saying his players were world class and going up, I would say he had no skills and wasn't up to the job, more likely to get a team relegated than take them up. This would take pressure off my players, and make all his players shit themselves. I'm not sure they'd shit themselves, but they might piss themselves with laughter at you

Wasn't this fun? Almost like football manager, only text-based! WOOHOOO.

+1

Though I credit Ideal with actually having a well thought out plan and not resorting to insults etc

Dorset-Knob · by **Dorset-Knob** » 01 Dec 2009 10:04

Just read through all the posts since last night and I am glad everything is alright now, I thought we were in the shit!

SBOB I did answer your question, you may have misread or misunderstood the reply.

Ideal's go at Football Manager wasn't a bad effort IMO

Royalee can't/doesn't need to have a go because there's nothing wrong with the current situation presumably?

So some are pro and some are anti BR, seems reasonable to me, we might all want the same things for the team, but we can still have respected, different points of view.

A question was asked about 'how many relegations' people had seen, I've seen dozens and the common factor amongst all of them has been doing too little, too late, to avoid finishing in the bottom three!

Pains me to say it, but this team has the whiff of failure about it and I have now accepted that I can't actually do anything about it so I'll just wait and see!

Adios amigos

Royal Lady · by **Royal Lady** » 01 Dec 2009 10:19

Dorset-Knob Just read through all the posts since last night and I am glad everything is alright now, I thought we were in the shit!

SBOB I did answer your question, you may have misread or misunderstood the reply.

Ideal's go at Football Manager wasn't a bad effort IMO

Royalee can't/doesn't need to have a go because there's nothing wrong with the current situation presumably?

So some are pro and some are anti BR, seems reasonable to me, we might all want the same things for the team, but we can still have respected, different points of view.

A question was asked about 'how many relegations' people had seen, I've seen dozens and the common factor amongst all of them has been doing too little, too late, to avoid finishing in the bottom three!

Pains me to say it, but this team has the whiff of failure about it and I have now accepted that I can't actually do anything about it so I'll just wait and see!

Adios amigos

^^^ This.

At the end of the day, we all want the same thing! No-one wants to see us struggle - but like it or not, that is what is happening at the moment - whether we can pick up some good results in the next few weeks is anyone's guess, but it really gets on my nerves when just because you have an opposing view to someone they resort to insults or just dismiss your opinions as rubbish.

Wimb · by **Wimb** » 01 Dec 2009 10:29

Royal Lady ^^^This.

At the end of the day, we all want the same thing! No-one wants to see us struggle - but like it or not, that is what is happening at the moment - whether we can pick up some good results in the next few weeks is anyone's guess, but it really gets on my nerves when just because you have an opposing view to someone they resort to insults or just dismiss your opinions as rubbish.

Stop spouting such rubbish RL

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