Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

[SHORT AND CURLY]

Get back in the kitchen love.......make some pasties and stop talking CRAPP!

[Focher]

Get back in the kitchen love.......make some pasties and stop talking CRAPP!

Most sensible post on this thread, short, concise, and to the point with minimum offence.

[greenbloodedgirl]

Please read my comment above where I clearly state that Reading weren't much better than Argyle last night. All I am doing is stating my opinion, and it is clearly at the opposite end of the scale. I wouldn't get worked up over comments on a messageboard, all I am doing is stating as I see it.

Yes you did say you were only just better yet you then say

We were better, had the vast majority of possession and territory, and should be putting teams like Argyle's to the sword

Sounds a bit contradictory to me.

It doesnt matter how many times you touch the ball if you do nothing with it, so don't turn possession into meaning you are a better team than us, when you are at home and we set ourselves up to counter attack anyway.

If you read my other posts you will see that I have given you credit, and have said you will be midtable by the end of the season if you can keep your form.

I genuinely thought the ref was rubbish and your team exploited it. If you dont agree that is fine, but there was no need to rubbish us, I didnt say you were rubbish just commented on our bad luck/inability to score/missed chances and bad refereeing. You had your own chances, of course you did, and I never came on here insulting your team in terms of ability or not.

We all want to stay in the league, however it is done, fighting, playing, hoofing, who cares...
Last night was cruel for me, delightful for you, no need to tear my team apart, rather unfairly in my opinion, especially when you say you were only marginally better.

I think I'll leave it there as I just seem to be adding fuel to your fire.

[brendywendy]

handbags_harris wrote:
Please read my comment above where I clearly state that Reading weren't much better than Argyle last night. All I am doing is stating my opinion, and it is clearly at the opposite end of the scale. I wouldn't get worked up over comments on a messageboard, all I am doing is stating as I see it.



Yes you did say you were only just better yet you then say
We were better, had the vast majority of possession and territory, and should be putting teams like Argyle's to the sword


Sounds a bit contradictory to me

not at all.

we werent very good last night. but if we are to stay up, we should be playing to our potential, and thus putting teams like you to the sword.
seems fine to me.

[SLAMMED]

as an Argyle supporter that was a devastating result.

Personally I disagree with some of the comments on here - the ref for example... He did give some odd decisions, and the linesman was a joke, how slow must his reactions be??? That flag took an age to come up!!

The ref gave you something everytime you fell or dived over.. Yet your bloke had his arms around our players neck in the box...lucky boys... Our tall forwards get penalised when they jump because your guys deliberately pull back/fall over, and even though our guy doesnt have his hands on you, gets a foul against him...
He just gave everything to you (pretty much) and jack all to us. Total homer. Can't believe a guy with three championship games experience took 'charge' of such an important match. As for your 'penalty' the guy was barely clipped, and was quite happy to take it...looked like he had been shot with a rifle.

I thought you played well first half - wondered how you were where you are, and now Long has found form you will probably be okay.

I don't think we were as poor as some people made out - not in the second half. In the first half we kept trying the long ball, but in the second half Noone and Mackie had a good go at you, and were guaranteed a goal had it not been for that annoying flag which came up..eventually. Not sure on some of the offsides, but I dont have the benefit of a replay so will live with it. Thought at times we had the beating of you, but your speed undid all our hard work. You had chances..as did we...if we had buried the Fallon header just before half time I think it would have been a different game.

Your support - shocking to be honest. start off loud, as expected, but went very quiet. Only one section near us were loud, and until your goal went in, were rather quiet. Then the usual winning singing...before we equalise and it turns into a Reading library.... Then lo and behold you get a penalty and the whole place comes alive again... I tell you what did you lot seem nervous when we equalised!! You could feel it in the air. Thought we outsang you at times, even though the occasion seemed to stifle our support. Not as loud or for as long periods as usual, which was a shame. If we had, we would have rocked the place, you were so quiet.

As for singing the song 'how sh*t must you be....', you were very lucky, we could easily have snatched it in the last few minutes, I thought if anyone would it would be us, and the penalty was pathetic.. How sh*t must you have been before when we beat you 4-1 at home then. We can't win there let alone score 4 Your pace on the counter attack and your diving are what won you that game...

The end was absolutely heartbreaking for me, and I think that is the end now. Almost seems like revenge for our winner late on in the first game of the season of your promotion winning season..but with bigger consequences. That late goal felt amazing, this felt like someone had punched me in the gut.

Not being biased, I really did think the ref was poor and gave you far too much and not much doing for us. We only had to blow on your ear for you to get something, we would have had to be shoulder barged, knocked to the ground and whacked around the head before we could get anything! The pen was a joke and either we aren't as bad as you say, or you aren't as good as you want to think. You had plenty of possession at times but couldn't finish, or were thwarted by a battling defence, one which isn't even a settled back four. When we did have the ball we looked dangerous in the second half, but we just didn't get enough of it to capitalise.

As for Kebe, my boyfriend remarked that he made a big difference to you and played really well...so there is an unbiased viewpoint for you

As I said I think you will be okay, but you are reliant on Long. Your midfield seemed easily bypassed at times, and with a bigger attacking threat of a team against you, you will probably struggle. Your counter attack is your biggest threat.

Come on West Brom Sorry, but we need all the help we can get now!!!

GREEN ARMY!!!

I'm sorry gbg, but I have to disagree with, and/or defend the vast majority of that post. The referee was b*llocks for both teams, he gave some quite disgraceful decisions in your favour, none more so than the two or three corners given as goal kicks and more importantly (which nobody has picked up upon) the most obvious trip on Shane Long a split second before he played the ball, while falling from said trip, through to an offside Simon Church. The foul came first, the pass second, therefore the free kick should have gone to us but instead he gave the offside to Argyle. Granted, I did think that Khizanishvili gave a number of free kick challenges by simply nudging his attacker slightly, but your assertion that the referee gave everything to us is so far wide of the mark it is laughable. That said, it was so abundantly clear that he was massively inexperienced. His positioning sometimes was poor, his decision making smacked of a referee that wasn't entirely clued up to what happens in professional football and missed most of the sly play that occurs. As for him being a homer, a quick look at the simple yellow card statistics for his previous 3 Championship games - 14 home, 0 away, tells a story in my mind.

As for the linesman, I have run the line many a time in games, albeit a lot lower level than Championship, but the principles are the same. Sometimes it is not entirely clear which direction the ball is going in, and which man the pass is intended for. A linesman has to wait for these aspects of play to be sure that the attacker in the offside position is interfering with play, which in most cases is why a linesman's flag sometimes takes an age to go up.

As for diving, I can think of no case yesterday where I considered one of our players to have dived. And I am one for noticing that kind of thing. I think your green tinted glasses may be deceiving you there. The penalty - well you need to take a look at the dynamics of a man running in full flight. Basically, it doesn't take much to send a man sprawling once his balance has been upset. I haven't seen the incident on a replay, however from my viewpoint it seemed pretty clear that his foot had been clipped by one of the chasing defenders, which in turn sent said foot into the back of his opposite ankle, which coupled with his forward momentum sent him toppling forward and to the floor. By the strictest letter of the law that is a foul, whether the clip was deliberate can only be open to debate because technically a non-deliberate foul should be penalised with an indirect free-kick. Nevertheless those decisions, when given, always result in penalty kicks. In my opinion, penalty. I don't think there can be any argument against that.

As for the game itself, I thought Plymouth were the worst side to visit us this season. Whether it was mariner's tactics, or down to simple footballing inability, Plymouth looked incapable of playing, instead looking to lump it to the new Micky Evans up front, Rory Fallon. There was prescious little to go by for Plymouth who looked a completely ineffective side when they tried to create things. The chances they had were from set pieces (to be fair two glorious opportunities), one from a defensive error from Khizanishvili early in the 2nd half, and the goal was just mishit shots, shanked clearances, general all-round panic from both defence and attack. Nothing actually created by anyone in the Argyle team in my view, and it was clear to see why you're the 2nd worst side in the division. It was clear that our players at least had the ability to play a bit (Church - who I wish wouldn't get anywhere near the first team - aside). We were better, had the vast majority of possession and territory, and should be putting teams like Argyle's to the sword. As it is, despite the obvious ball playing ability of Reading, we struggle because we have such a powderpuff attack.

Support - 7 of your 13 home league games have been sub-10k, which will be a bit of an embarrassment in a 46k stadium. You may travel decently, but Argyle fans seem to have this thing going on about how great their support is. If you had such great support, you would get more at home. It's not as though there is any competition down there in Cornwall is it? Unless I'm missing something about Truro City's attendances?

Whether or not we have enough to stay up is open to debate, but Plymouth clearly don't. Yesterday was obvious why Argyle don't score many goals. The defeat at Home Park was a massively disappointing performance from our point of view, and we caught you on a day when most things went right for you. There was never any question of that kind of thing happening last night.

In short, I thought Argyle were a poor poor side. Reading weren't much better, but we've ground out two home wins now by hook or by crook. Argyle are doomed along with Peterborough, and sticking my neck out probably won't win another game this season and are in danger of finishing bottom as well. I'm not sure whether we'll go down as well, but if we keep grinding out results the way we have been then we'll be pretty safe. It's 5 wins from 7 now for Reading.

I wont bother responding in depth to this one as to be honest I find it rather derisive. You weren't that much better than us so I would get off your high horse. We were rubbish in the first half, and you still couldn't score but in the second our play was not far off yours at times. Inconsistent more than anything. The second half was not about hoofing the ball up to anyone as Fallon was taken off.

We have lost by bad luck, poor play and only by the odd goal usually, so are by far the whipping boys you are making us out to be.

I was fair enough to give you guys some praise, but if you are going to have your head so far up your own, then I really hope someone comes and forcefully removes it for you.

Argyle is in Devon, not Cornwall, so the only factor there would be success, rather than locality. Besides which unfortunately a lot of this location are on far less money and generally having had less success over the years can take or leave football. The praise of our Argyle support was about the core 5k that would follow the team anywhere and will sing other teams off the park so to speak. Again, financial restraints have affected this here more than many places. Add this to the fact we see our team improve, succeed and then broken up and sold, and never have money to spend to compete on a level footing in the higher leagues. Our support is rubbish at home anway as we are often better away from home, and the crowds tension can be felt at home, much like yours until recently.

The stadium for the world cup would include temporary seating, not all that would be permanent, besides which, no doubt lack of success hereonin will rule us out of hosting.

I play football, and have watched the line before, and am well aware the difficulties. On one offside he waited until someone had practically caught the ball in the higher tier before putting his flag up. now that is some serious waiting. Perhaps there is a delay between his brain and his arm too.

I wont go into anymore detail as I didn't come on here to get wound up, I am depressed enough as it is, having seen so much fight, and nothing for it.

I hope your team live up to your over-inflated opinion of them.

Longest. Post. Ever.

[URZZZZZZZZ]

Get back in the kitchen love.......make some pasties and stop talking CRAPP!

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[greenbloodedgirl]

Get back in the kitchen love.......make some pasties and stop talking CRAPP!

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Grab your club and get back in your cave.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

A poor performance last night, but a vital 3 points. In the end, I thought we deserved at least the 3 points, if not at least a point.

It was easy to be seen that this was a relegation scrap. Both teams were up for it and that ensured a tight affair. I thought we played well in the first half, but didn't punish Plymouth enough with our possession. In the 2nd half, we came out fighting and put in a better shift, but still not doing enough in the final third.

Shane Long's first goal was well taken. A striker who has been slated over several months, looks to be in good sted at the moment, and it was a composed finish. The penalty was a clear one. From my seat in the N.Stand it was easy to see that he was tripped. It was a great run to set up the penalty by Robson Kanu.

A couple of other things disappointed me. McAnuff for starters. He did not look 100% and didn't really look up for it. To be fair, everytime he did get the ball, he was being marked out the game. However, he hasn't been consistent enough since that Liverpool game.
The substitution that brought Robson Kanu on instead of Thorvaldsson was a strange one. It would of been better to replace McAnuff with Robson Kanu and to replace Church with Thorvaldsson.

[URZZZZZZZZ]

Get back in the kitchen love.......make some pasties and stop talking CRAPP!

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Grab your club and get back in your cave.

[The Real Sandhurst Royal]

Handbags_Harris wrote:

As for the game itself, I thought Plymouth were the worst side to visit us this season

Have to disagree with Plymouth being the worst side to visit the Mad Stad this season.

Scunthorpe were dreadful and should have been 3 or 4 nil down a half time but went away with a point.

[greenbloodedgirl]

A poor performance last night, but a vital 3 points. In the end, I thought we deserved at least the 3 points, if not at least a point.

It was easy to be seen that this was a relegation scrap. Both teams were up for it and that ensured a tight affair. I thought we played well in the first half, but didn't punish Plymouth enough with our possession. In the 2nd half, we came out fighting and put in a better shift, but still not doing enough in the final third.

Shane Long's first goal was well taken. A striker who has been slated over several months, looks to be in good sted at the moment, and it was a composed finish. The penalty was a clear one. From my seat in the N.Stand it was easy to see that he was tripped. It was a great run to set up the penalty by Robson Kanu.

A couple of other things disappointed me. McAnuff for starters. He did not look 100% and didn't really look up for it. To be fair, everytime he did get the ball, he was being marked out the game. However, he hasn't been consistent enough since that Liverpool game.
The substitution that brought Robson Kanu on instead of Thorvaldsson was a strange one. It would of been better to replace McAnuff with Robson Kanu and to replace Church with Thorvaldsson.

at least the 3 points - how many were you expecting as maximum then? Maybe a bonus point for a home win?

[LoyalRoyalFan]

A poor performance last night, but a vital 3 points. In the end, I thought we deserved at least the 3 points, if not at least a point.

It was easy to be seen that this was a relegation scrap. Both teams were up for it and that ensured a tight affair. I thought we played well in the first half, but didn't punish Plymouth enough with our possession. In the 2nd half, we came out fighting and put in a better shift, but still not doing enough in the final third.

Shane Long's first goal was well taken. A striker who has been slated over several months, looks to be in good sted at the moment, and it was a composed finish. The penalty was a clear one. From my seat in the N.Stand it was easy to see that he was tripped. It was a great run to set up the penalty by Robson Kanu.

A couple of other things disappointed me. McAnuff for starters. He did not look 100% and didn't really look up for it. To be fair, everytime he did get the ball, he was being marked out the game. However, he hasn't been consistent enough since that Liverpool game.
The substitution that brought Robson Kanu on instead of Thorvaldsson was a strange one. It would of been better to replace McAnuff with Robson Kanu and to replace Church with Thorvaldsson.

at least the 3 points - how many were you expecting as maximum then? Maybe a bonus point for a home win?

With our lack of home wins..

[Franchise FC]

A couple of other things disappointed me. McAnuff for starters. He did not look 100% and didn't really look up for it. To be fair, everytime he did get the ball, he was being marked out the game. However, he hasn't been consistent enough since that Liverpool game.
The substitution that brought Robson Kanu on instead of Thorvaldsson was a strange one. It would of been better to replace McAnuff with Robson Kanu and to replace Church with Thorvaldsson.

Tell me exactly how this can be seen as a wrong decision. Hull Kingston Rovers wins the penalty by being through the middle - we win the game - credit the tactical genius that is Fester McCoppell (at the moment)

[PieEater]

A very welcome 3 points with Long working hard and getting a deserved brace. I could see the determination on his face to beat the Centre half to the through ball, and then finished it superbly.

I was surprised how well Plymouth battled last night, every player was working their socks off to try to close us down and stop us playing. How come their defence didn't look as shaky as ours, maybe our attackers are just shit, but the only mistake they made was bringing down HRK for the pen. Our defence on the other hand just looks fragile, full of mistakes, panic and indecision.

Woeful ref but at least he got the main decision right.

[Thaumagurist*]

Get back in the kitchen love.......make some pasties and stop talking CRAPP!

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Grab your club and get back in your cave.

You sure you don't want him to club you on the head and drag you into his cave?

[Alan Partridge]

I would like to hear gbg's views on Plymouth v Dagenham in League 2 in front of 5000 in their 46,000 olympic stadium....

[holsgrove breaks a leg]

I would like to hear gbg's views on Plymouth v Dagenham in League 2 in front of 5000 in their 46,000 olympic stadium....

or having a trip across the Tamar to enjoy the fine city that is Truro, once of the screwfix league

[West Stand Flash]

Good 3 points
Griffin/Kishidnrysbdhdbd were brilliant last night.
Howard/Karacan were awful. Wouldn't be bothered if neither played for RFC again.
Long looks a completely diff player. Shows what confidence does.

[rob the royal]

For a Vulcan gbg is highly illogical.

Please read my comment above where I clearly state that Reading weren't much better than Argyle last night. All I am doing is stating my opinion, and it is clearly at the opposite end of the scale. I wouldn't get worked up over comments on a messageboard, all I am doing is stating as I see it.

Yes you did say you were only just better yet you then say

We were better, had the vast majority of possession and territory, and should be putting teams like Argyle's to the sword

Sounds a bit contradictory to me.

WHY???????????????? How is that possibly contradictory. Look up the word SHOULD in the dictionary.

I'm not sure what's wrong with handbags saying that we 'should' be putting teams like plymouth to the sword... we should be. Like he said we had a lot of possession and territory, and if you set up to counter you didn't do much of it. Your best moments came in the spell before our first goal. In a game like that, you'd want Plymouth to put the game to bed. FWIW I think we're a much better side than we showed last night. We were unbalanced with Howard on the left and some of our players were short of their usual performances. We were pretty poor if you ask me, but we should (ooh there's that word again) have been looking to put the game to bed having gone 1-0 up, considering the way we've played in some of our recent games.

Also i'd like to know which of our players was able to 'make the most' of the useless ref? If you ask me that's something they could all do with learning how to do. Everyone else does it.

Perhaps from where you sit it's not as easy to see? But from my pitchside seat I saw countless fouls, shirt tugs, trips and climbs that the ref let go, mainly because our players don't do what other teams do, which is basically to stop playing and put your arm up the moment you've been fouled, instead of trying to shrug it off and get on with it, only to lose the ball and get no free kick!

[FiNeRaIn]

as an Argyle supporter that was a devastating result.

Personally I disagree with some of the comments on here - the ref for example... He did give some odd decisions, and the linesman was a joke, how slow must his reactions be??? That flag took an age to come up!!

The ref gave you something everytime you fell or dived over.. Yet your bloke had his arms around our players neck in the box...lucky boys... Our tall forwards get penalised when they jump because your guys deliberately pull back/fall over, and even though our guy doesnt have his hands on you, gets a foul against him...
He just gave everything to you (pretty much) and jack all to us. Total homer. Can't believe a guy with three championship games experience took 'charge' of such an important match. As for your 'penalty' the guy was barely clipped, and was quite happy to take it...looked like he had been shot with a rifle.

I thought you played well first half - wondered how you were where you are, and now Long has found form you will probably be okay.

I don't think we were as poor as some people made out - not in the second half. In the first half we kept trying the long ball, but in the second half Noone and Mackie had a good go at you, and were guaranteed a goal had it not been for that annoying flag which came up..eventually. Not sure on some of the offsides, but I dont have the benefit of a replay so will live with it. Thought at times we had the beating of you, but your speed undid all our hard work. You had chances..as did we...if we had buried the Fallon header just before half time I think it would have been a different game.

Your support - shocking to be honest. start off loud, as expected, but went very quiet. Only one section near us were loud, and until your goal went in, were rather quiet. Then the usual winning singing...before we equalise and it turns into a Reading library.... Then lo and behold you get a penalty and the whole place comes alive again... I tell you what did you lot seem nervous when we equalised!! You could feel it in the air. Thought we outsang you at times, even though the occasion seemed to stifle our support. Not as loud or for as long periods as usual, which was a shame. If we had, we would have rocked the place, you were so quiet.

As for singing the song 'how sh*t must you be....', you were very lucky, we could easily have snatched it in the last few minutes, I thought if anyone would it would be us, and the penalty was pathetic.. How sh*t must you have been before when we beat you 4-1 at home then. We can't win there let alone score 4 Your pace on the counter attack and your diving are what won you that game...

The end was absolutely heartbreaking for me, and I think that is the end now. Almost seems like revenge for our winner late on in the first game of the season of your promotion winning season..but with bigger consequences. That late goal felt amazing, this felt like someone had punched me in the gut.

Not being biased, I really did think the ref was poor and gave you far too much and not much doing for us. We only had to blow on your ear for you to get something, we would have had to be shoulder barged, knocked to the ground and whacked around the head before we could get anything! The pen was a joke and either we aren't as bad as you say, or you aren't as good as you want to think. You had plenty of possession at times but couldn't finish, or were thwarted by a battling defence, one which isn't even a settled back four. When we did have the ball we looked dangerous in the second half, but we just didn't get enough of it to capitalise.

As for Kebe, my boyfriend remarked that he made a big difference to you and played really well...so there is an unbiased viewpoint for you

As I said I think you will be okay, but you are reliant on Long. Your midfield seemed easily bypassed at times, and with a bigger attacking threat of a team against you, you will probably struggle. Your counter attack is your biggest threat.

Come on West Brom Sorry, but we need all the help we can get now!!!

GREEN ARMY!!!

Usual drivel from a defeated side. Bad ref, we have crap fans, hope you lose next game,etc

We created 4/5 clear opportunities, you had a one on one start of the second half due to a defensive error and again scored due to a shocking bit of defending - rightfully three points for reading. You came here to timewaste but you were far better than scunthorpe if its any consolation.

As for the support - what else is new? 3 home wins in a year, top 8 of the prem to second bottom championship in a few years, most the first team squad sold and fans in disbelief how crap we are, all this and we are still paying season ticket prices higher than most of the division. Really not a lot to be excited about. The plymouth fans were nosier than most in recent weeks but are there any more local fixtures for you?