Accounts of the stewards at WBA

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I would have thought the ban on recording equipment only applies during the match when there are copyright issues. Before or after the game I would have thought filming/taking pictures in a public place would be perfectly acceptable

[Dirk Gently]

I would have thought the ban on recording equipment only applies during the match when there are copyright issues. Before or after the game I would have thought filming/taking pictures in a public place would be perfectly acceptable

Legally a football ground is not a public place - it's private property. But in reality there's no realistic risk in this case.

[oldebiscuit]

From what i have heard from those that were there, the WBA stewarding was appalling. However, before we criticize, perhaps we should get our own house in order. Some of the stewarding of the Sheffield Wednesday fans was nothing short of 'Childish' and 'provocative'. The main incident was when a shirt was thrown out of the crowd (against the will of the owner) onto the cinder track in front the area occupied by 'Fat Boy and his cronies'. The shirtless fan went forward to ask the steward to return it. A female steward picked up the shirt and teasingly went to return it, and as the grateful owner leant forward to receive it, the female steward pulled it away. Smirking, she then passed the shirt to another steward who promptly hid it in the tunnel. HIGHLY AMUSING INDEED! Mighty pleased with their strangely amusing deed, they then gloated over the irate Wednesday fan, probably hoping that he would over react so that they could amuse themselves by perhaps, say 4 of them, rush in and bundle him out, 'roughing him up' on the way.
This pathetic exhibition of stewarding was completely uncalled for, especially as it was in front of the section of away fans that looked a bit boisterous. As it happened, nothing came of it and all the stewards concerned probably had a good laugh over a few drinks later, although probably dissapointed that they were unable to be 'really Heroic' as they did not have to eject any one on this occassion.
Reading stewards do not help themselves. They stand back and watch when a club with a big following or boisterous fans come to the Madstad, but pick on the smaller 'well behaved' fans from friendly clubs, like the Charlton fans last season that were ejected for dancing after they had just equalised.
OK, our stewards don't have the 'Night Club Bouncer' mentality that stewards at some clubs do, but you don't expect childish behaviour all the same.
Come on RFC stewards, you don't have to do it!

[Dirk Gently]

Yep - many times our stewards - especially those in the away end - leave an awful lot to be desired. (or rather the tangoes!).

Bad stewarding is endemic at many clubs, and the NVQ level2 qualification is not only an absolute doddle but is something that stewards have a whole year to qualify for.

That's not to say that there aren't some excellent stewards at RFC and at other clubs, but sadly for far too many the whole emphasis is on "control" and not on "confrontation management".

[Son of Len]

It might be time to take the unsavory American route to forcing professional behavior amongst stewards. Start suing them and their clubs. If they are creating a dangerous situation (as it appears at WBA) or stealing property (as at Reading), a lawsuit or two would force the clubs to do something about their stewards' actions.

Stewarding should be performed as a professional job. Sure, it doesn't pay, but that's not the point. The point is to keep supporters safe. Once a couple of videos pop up that indicate the stewards are not keeping people safe and are, in fact, putting them in jeopardy, those clubs will be liable for monetary damages. Money talks.

And if you are banned from that ground, it shouldn't be that big a deal compared with making it safe for your childrn in 10-20 years.

[Big Foot]

Stewards at West Brom have always been a bunch of boneheads looking for a row. I remember some trouble with them when we drew in the FA Cup up there 4 years ago, only quelled by us being awarded a penalty and subsequent celebrations.

[W.A.S.F.C.]

According to the Football Supporters Federation Newsletter there was more trouble afterwards.

Royals' rumble
Hell on at the Hawthorns last week after Reading’s Brian Howard claimed WBA’s stewards tried to attack the Royals’ players post-game. Trouble flared when stewards tried to stop players from celebrating with fans at the final whistle. It soon descended into a shoving contest. “Even after the match the stewards tried to get on the coach but luckily they were stopped otherwise it would have been carnage,” alleges Howard. “They started taking their jackets off and pointing at us to get off the coach and fight them.”

Clubs are often far too willing to dismiss fans’ concerns around aggressive stewarding but if players are even beginning to protest, surely it's about time they listen? If you have any stewarding complaints email the FSF today.

Did anyone else notice this?

[RobRoyale]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM67SvOD ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPhM3tKJ ... re=related

[FiNeRaIn]

From what i have heard from those that were there, the WBA stewarding was appalling. However, before we criticize, perhaps we should get our own house in order. Some of the stewarding of the Sheffield Wednesday fans was nothing short of 'Childish' and 'provocative'. The main incident was when a shirt was thrown out of the crowd (against the will of the owner) onto the cinder track in front the area occupied by 'Fat Boy and his cronies'. The shirtless fan went forward to ask the steward to return it. A female steward picked up the shirt and teasingly went to return it, and as the grateful owner leant forward to receive it, the female steward pulled it away. Smirking, she then passed the shirt to another steward who promptly hid it in the tunnel. HIGHLY AMUSING INDEED! Mighty pleased with their strangely amusing deed, they then gloated over the irate Wednesday fan, probably hoping that he would over react so that they could amuse themselves by perhaps, say 4 of them, rush in and bundle him out, 'roughing him up' on the way.
This pathetic exhibition of stewarding was completely uncalled for, especially as it was in front of the section of away fans that looked a bit boisterous. As it happened, nothing came of it and all the stewards concerned probably had a good laugh over a few drinks later, although probably dissapointed that they were unable to be 'really Heroic' as they did not have to eject any one on this occassion.
Reading stewards do not help themselves. They stand back and watch when a club with a big following or boisterous fans come to the Madstad, but pick on the smaller 'well behaved' fans from friendly clubs, like the Charlton fans last season that were ejected for dancing after they had just equalised.
OK, our stewards don't have the 'Night Club Bouncer' mentality that stewards at some clubs do, but you don't expect childish behaviour all the same.
Come on RFC stewards, you don't have to do it!

Load of pish, he shouldn't be throwing things on the pitch in the first place.

We are talking about one of our coaches getting a punch and several of our players and fans manhandled and a riot nearly caused. On an entirely different scale im afraid.

[Rawlie19]

From what i have heard from those that were there, the WBA stewarding was appalling. However, before we criticize, perhaps we should get our own house in order. Some of the stewarding of the Sheffield Wednesday fans was nothing short of 'Childish' and 'provocative'. The main incident was when a shirt was thrown out of the crowd (against the will of the owner) onto the cinder track in front the area occupied by 'Fat Boy and his cronies'. The shirtless fan went forward to ask the steward to return it. A female steward picked up the shirt and teasingly went to return it, and as the grateful owner leant forward to receive it, the female steward pulled it away. Smirking, she then passed the shirt to another steward who promptly hid it in the tunnel. HIGHLY AMUSING INDEED! Mighty pleased with their strangely amusing deed, they then gloated over the irate Wednesday fan, probably hoping that he would over react so that they could amuse themselves by perhaps, say 4 of them, rush in and bundle him out, 'roughing him up' on the way.
This pathetic exhibition of stewarding was completely uncalled for, especially as it was in front of the section of away fans that looked a bit boisterous. As it happened, nothing came of it and all the stewards concerned probably had a good laugh over a few drinks later, although probably dissapointed that they were unable to be 'really Heroic' as they did not have to eject any one on this occassion.
Reading stewards do not help themselves. They stand back and watch when a club with a big following or boisterous fans come to the Madstad, but pick on the smaller 'well behaved' fans from friendly clubs, like the Charlton fans last season that were ejected for dancing after they had just equalised.
OK, our stewards don't have the 'Night Club Bouncer' mentality that stewards at some clubs do, but you don't expect childish behaviour all the same.
Come on RFC stewards, you don't have to do it!

Load of pish, he shouldn't be throwing things on the pitch in the first place.

We are talking about one of our coaches getting a punch and several of our players and fans manhandled and a riot nearly caused. On an entirely different scale im afraid.

You really are an idiot. From that post, HE didn't throw it on the pitch, it was "against the will of the owner". Back to ignoring you I go.

[Turns8]

Probably in the wrong thread but have just spotted this

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/TicketNews/0,,10366~1980828,00.html

Great can't wait for the allocation of 2,000 inbred knuckle draggers in a few weeks time...

[FiNeRaIn]

From what i have heard from those that were there, the WBA stewarding was appalling. However, before we criticize, perhaps we should get our own house in order. Some of the stewarding of the Sheffield Wednesday fans was nothing short of 'Childish' and 'provocative'. The main incident was when a shirt was thrown out of the crowd (against the will of the owner) onto the cinder track in front the area occupied by 'Fat Boy and his cronies'. The shirtless fan went forward to ask the steward to return it. A female steward picked up the shirt and teasingly went to return it, and as the grateful owner leant forward to receive it, the female steward pulled it away. Smirking, she then passed the shirt to another steward who promptly hid it in the tunnel. HIGHLY AMUSING INDEED! Mighty pleased with their strangely amusing deed, they then gloated over the irate Wednesday fan, probably hoping that he would over react so that they could amuse themselves by perhaps, say 4 of them, rush in and bundle him out, 'roughing him up' on the way.
This pathetic exhibition of stewarding was completely uncalled for, especially as it was in front of the section of away fans that looked a bit boisterous. As it happened, nothing came of it and all the stewards concerned probably had a good laugh over a few drinks later, although probably dissapointed that they were unable to be 'really Heroic' as they did not have to eject any one on this occassion.
Reading stewards do not help themselves. They stand back and watch when a club with a big following or boisterous fans come to the Madstad, but pick on the smaller 'well behaved' fans from friendly clubs, like the Charlton fans last season that were ejected for dancing after they had just equalised.
OK, our stewards don't have the 'Night Club Bouncer' mentality that stewards at some clubs do, but you don't expect childish behaviour all the same.
Come on RFC stewards, you don't have to do it!

Load of pish, he shouldn't be throwing things on the pitch in the first place.

We are talking about one of our coaches getting a punch and several of our players and fans manhandled and a riot nearly caused. On an entirely different scale im afraid.

You really are an idiot. From that post, HE didn't throw it on the pitch, it was "against the will of the owner". Back to ignoring you I go.

You're a tool and obviously missed the incident which sparked it, when sig scored and celebrated in front of them- the shirt along with a few other items landed on the pitch) something I raised at the time). Ignore me, I don't value anything you say. Muppet.

[RoyalBlue]

Yep - many times our stewards - especially those in the away end - leave an awful lot to be desired. (or rather the tangoes!).

Bad stewarding is endemic at many clubs, and the NVQ level2 qualification is not only an absolute doddle but is something that stewards have a whole year to qualify for.

That's not to say that there aren't some excellent stewards at RFC and at other clubs, but sadly for far too many the whole emphasis is on "control" and not on "confrontation management".

I have to say that all of the staff and stewards at Leicester City were absolutely fantastic on our big promotion day. And I don't think it was the euphoria of the day that gave me RTGs either. It all started from when we went to pick up our tickets for the home end and the ticket office staff happily offfered us a swap for those in an additional area they had set aside for such cases next to the main Reading block (and not in the cells either) and ended as we finally left with stewards, including Tangos shaking our hands, congratulating us and wishing us all the best in the Prem.

Shows you had bad it is when Jeff Stelling is even making a joke about it at the start of Soccer Saturday this weekend.

What was the joke?

Yes, what was the joke?

Load of pish, he shouldn't be throwing things on the pitch in the first place.

We are talking about one of our coaches getting a punch and several of our players and fans manhandled and a riot nearly caused. On an entirely different scale im afraid.

You really are an idiot. From that post, HE didn't throw it on the pitch, it was "against the will of the owner". Back to ignoring you I go.

You're a tool and obviously missed the incident which sparked it, when sig scored and celebrated in front of them- the shirt along with a few other items landed on the pitch) something I raised at the time). Ignore me, I don't value anything you say. Muppet.

Forgive me for interfering in your tiff but wasn't oldebiscuit referring to the Sheff Weds game/fans and our stewards? If so, I don't recall seeing Sig score!

Enough egg for an omelette?

[oldebiscuit]

From what i have heard from those that were there, the WBA stewarding was appalling. However, before we criticize, perhaps we should get our own house in order. Some of the stewarding of the Sheffield Wednesday fans was nothing short of 'Childish' and 'provocative'. The main incident was when a shirt was thrown out of the crowd (against the will of the owner) onto the cinder track in front the area occupied by 'Fat Boy and his cronies'. The shirtless fan went forward to ask the steward to return it. A female steward picked up the shirt and teasingly went to return it, and as the grateful owner leant forward to receive it, the female steward pulled it away. Smirking, she then passed the shirt to another steward who promptly hid it in the tunnel. HIGHLY AMUSING INDEED! Mighty pleased with their strangely amusing deed, they then gloated over the irate Wednesday fan, probably hoping that he would over react so that they could amuse themselves by perhaps, say 4 of them, rush in and bundle him out, 'roughing him up' on the way.
This pathetic exhibition of stewarding was completely uncalled for, especially as it was in front of the section of away fans that looked a bit boisterous. As it happened, nothing came of it and all the stewards concerned probably had a good laugh over a few drinks later, although probably dissapointed that they were unable to be 'really Heroic' as they did not have to eject any one on this occassion.
Reading stewards do not help themselves. They stand back and watch when a club with a big following or boisterous fans come to the Madstad, but pick on the smaller 'well behaved' fans from friendly clubs, like the Charlton fans last season that were ejected for dancing after they had just equalised.
OK, our stewards don't have the 'Night Club Bouncer' mentality that stewards at some clubs do, but you don't expect childish behaviour all the same.
Come on RFC stewards, you don't have to do it!

Load of pish, he shouldn't be throwing things on the pitch in the first place.

We are talking about one of our coaches getting a punch and several of our players and fans manhandled and a riot nearly caused. On an entirely different scale im afraid.

Not a load of pish. Also not trying to compare it on the same scale either. just making a point about our stewards behaviour.

Two world wars, one world cup and a skeleton bob? How can you even suspect that any one will take you seriously with a tag attatchment like that? That just about puts you in a lower mentality bracket than the WBA stewards.

[FiNeRaIn]

Forgive me for interfering in your tiff but wasn't oldebiscuit referring to the Sheff Weds game/fans and our stewards? If so, I don't recall seeing Sig score!

Enough egg for an omelette?

Celebrated in front of them I meant to write, apologies. The goal that he cut back he made a gesture to the sheff wed fans and several complaints to stewards were made, I wasn't the only one to spot this.

Oldbiscuit, my location is a joke - the fact you are referring to it is completely irrelevant and ridiculous.

Only an idiot would try and compare two of our stewards not giving a shirt back to a fan to that of assaulting professional players, coaches and manhandling fans who were in the stand.

For all our stewards controversial moments they haven't even been on remotely the same scale as their WBA counterparts.

[bcubed]

Forgive me for interfering in your tiff but wasn't oldebiscuit referring to the Sheff Weds game/fans and our stewards? If so, I don't recall seeing Sig score!

Enough egg for an omelette?

Celebrated in front of them I meant to write, apologies. The goal that he cut back he made a gesture to the sheff wed fans and several complaints to stewards were made, I wasn't the only one to spot this.

Oldbiscuit, my location is a joke - the fact you are referring to it is completely irrelevant and ridiculous.

Only an idiot would try and compare two of our stewards not giving a shirt back to a fan to that of assaulting professional players, coaches and manhandling fans who were in the stand.

For all our stewards controversial moments they haven't even been on remotely the same scale as their WBA counterparts.

Shirt was deliberately thrown, in frustration, onto the pitch
He didn't try to get it initially and I think he realised he was unlikely to see it again
Actually I suspect he was given it back after he left

Anyway as FR says, childish behaviour maybe but not in the same league as West Brom stewards

[oldebiscuit]

Oldbiscuit, my location is a joke - the fact you are referring to it is completely irrelevant and ridiculous.

Only an idiot would try and compare two of our stewards not giving a shirt back to a fan to that of assaulting professional players, coaches and manhandling fans who were in the stand.

For all our stewards controversial moments they haven't even been on remotely the same scale as their WBA counterparts.

Quite agree, only an idiot would compare two of our stewards to that of otthers assaulting pro footballers etc. But what has that got to do with my observations and comments. Your replies and comments are so innaccurate.

And your location is a joke? then i must be a little slow. Please explain it slowly so that i may chuckle myself to sleep tonight

[Dirk Gently]

Yep - many times our stewards - especially those in the away end - leave an awful lot to be desired. (or rather the tangoes!).

Bad stewarding is endemic at many clubs, and the NVQ level2 qualification is not only an absolute doddle but is something that stewards have a whole year to qualify for.

That's not to say that there aren't some excellent stewards at RFC and at other clubs, but sadly for far too many the whole emphasis is on "control" and not on "confrontation management".

I have to say that all of the staff and stewards at Leicester City were absolutely fantastic on our big promotion day. And I don't think it was the euphoria of the day that gave me RTGs either. It all started from when we went to pick up our tickets for the home end and the ticket office staff happily offfered us a swap for those in an additional area they had set aside for such cases next to the main Reading block (and not in the cells either) and ended as we finally left with stewards, including Tangos shaking our hands, congratulating us and wishing us all the best in the Prem.

Agreed. Personally, whenever we encounter good stewards I'll always make a point of thanking them at the end. As well as leicester, where all was superb, this season the stewards at Barnsley & Doncaster have been particularly good.

[FiNeRaIn]

Quite agree, only an idiot would compare two of our stewards to that of otthers assaulting pro footballers etc. But what has that got to do with my observations and comments. Your replies and comments are so innaccurate.

And your location is a joke? then i must be a little slow. Please explain it slowly so that i may chuckle myself to sleep tonight

The fact that you put it on a thread called " Accounts of the stewards at WBA" what has this thread got to do with your agenda against our stewards from sheff wednesday, take your ramblings to another thread. We are here to talk about the events that night - nothing else.

Secondly, there is a facebook group titled with the line in my location that - I found it funny, you may not. Each to their own. The fact that you are trying to drag it in to a debate about stewarding says it all.

[Compo's Hat]

Shows you had bad it is when Jeff Stelling is even making a joke about it at the start of Soccer Saturday this weekend.

What was the joke?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwrLCWeOPMc