Manager Backing?

[winchester_royal]

What McD has achieved with the most uninspiringly average squad this club has had in 10 years is nothing short of miraculous IMHO.

Not a Madejski hater per-se, because I do understand why he's doing what he is, but he has royally fcked over Brian in the last month.

[Avon Royal]

I can hardly contain my joy.

It's wonderful how anyone who even thinks about questioning the almighty Brian is set upon like some sort of heretic.

Heretic, no. Idiot, perhaps.

It makes you sound like the kind of moron who calls post-match phone-ins to say the manager has lost the plot.

So questioning the actions of the manager = idiot???????

Some of the blind faith on here would make the Pope squirm.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

I can hardly contain my joy.

It's wonderful how anyone who even thinks about questioning the almighty Brian is set upon like some sort of heretic.

Heretic, no. Idiot, perhaps.

It makes you sound like the kind of moron who calls post-match phone-ins to say the manager has lost the plot.

So questioning the actions of the manager = idiot???????

Some of the blind faith on here would make the Pope squirm.

So your questioning is based on strong evidence that he's mismanaging the team and getting poorer results than expected because of it?

Sounds more like a knee-jerk reaction to a disappointing result (despite being a game we were always favourites to lose anyway).

Posing the question of sacking the manager after just 7 games, when we've won as many as we've lost and have a positive goal difference suggests a drama-queen looking for a crisis.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

What McD has achieved with the most uninspiringly average squad this club has had in 10 years is nothing short of miraculous IMHO.

Not a Madejski hater per-se, because I do understand why he's doing what he is, but he has royally fcked over Brian in the last month.

I think the teams we had in 00/01 and 01/02 were worse than the current squad.

The team is in a transitional phase after a period of continued success that no clubs beyond the big 4 have enyojed. For around 7 years we had about the best record in English professional football, finishing 3rd, 2rd (P), 4th, 9th, 7th, 1st (P), 8th, with another 4th 2 years later. People seem to have forgotten that ageing/expensive squads being dismantled are just as much part of football as building new teams and improving.

[FiNeRaIn]

What McD has achieved with the most uninspiringly average squad this club has had in 10 years is nothing short of miraculous IMHO.

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Steady on, mid table finish last season after toying with relegation...sloppy start to the season this year. Not miraculous, but can't complain.

[Avon Royal]

Posing the question of sacking the manager after just 7 games, when we've won as many as we've lost and have a positive goal difference suggests a drama-queen looking for a crisis.

*Sigh*

When did I say anything about sacking?

If you bothered to read my original question you would see that I asked how much longer we had to put up with this crap before we could question Brian's suitability.

But then it's just a whole lot easier to stone the non-believer.

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

I think the real question is how much longer will McD and Hammond put up with it? They can't be happy with the situation. There's a lot of clubs who would take Hammond at the drop of a hat. The entire backroom staff from Dolan to McDermott are his people.

Luckily Hammond loves this club, but there gonna come a point.

Lol at all the knights on high horses.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Posing the question of sacking the manager after just 7 games, when we've won as many as we've lost and have a positive goal difference suggests a drama-queen looking for a crisis.

*Sigh*

When did I say anything about sacking?

If you bothered to read my original question you would see that I asked how much longer we had to put up with this crap...

What "crap" exactly? Also, you said "question his suitablity for the job". If "being unsuitable for the job" doesn't imply being sacked, I'm not sure what does.

...before we could question Brian's suitability.

How many points has Brian cost us this season, by your reckoning?

But then it's just a whole lot easier to stone the non-believer.

It's not about believing or not believing. It's about giving someone a chance.

It's about not being the kind of moron who says "should we sack the manager?" one month into the season, without any obvious reason to suggest the manager is the cause of any problem.

Yeah, it'd be nice two play with two up front, but with teams these days packing the midfield, you really need all four of your midfielders to be hard-workers for that to work, or you get overrun. Kebe, much as he has improved, and McAnuff, don't really fit the bill.

If we were rock bottom or looking terrible it'd be fair to be asking questions. Currently our results are average, as have been our performances. Given that our team is probably average too, how many points should we be on after our opening 7 games, in your opinion?

[Boston Royal]

I fully support BMcD; he has worked wonders for the club on very limited resources. But I don't disagree with Avon Royal (or any other fan's) right to just ask a question. Different people have different views. A fan just wants the best for his/her team. We've had (in my opinion) a decent start to the season and as the Rev says, we certainly haven't had the poor start that should put us in "vote of confidence" territory. But, there's nothing wrong with asking whether we could do better than "decent". I remember the year that Stevens/McLeary were fired from Millwall when they were something like 8th; it was very surprising since they'd done an excellent job, but McGhee then took them up. Of course, there are many occasions where sacking a decent manager has backfired. But, all AR is doing is asking a question, which is what the board is for.

[jonboy29red]

i back him 100% he has learnt the hard way like most managers dont forget this is his FIRST full season as our manager and as with all teams it takes a while to build what you want yes were short of money but so is every one else unless u have a sheik monsure or an abramovich i back the club 100% on everything

[Barry the bird boggler]

Cheap option? So what all managers start somewhere. I don't think he's doing too badly given the total lack of financial support at the club and it must be galling for him to see cheats still filling other clubs squads with players they can't afford.

Don't think we can judge him properly until there is some money to push things the way he wants to go. Perhaps that may change though if he doesn't bring in another striking option from somewhere (easier said than done of course) or get some consistent return out of the current staff.

[Avon Royal]

It's about not being the kind of moron who says "should we sack the manager?" one month into the season, without any obvious reason to suggest the manager is the cause of any problem.

So if the manager isn't the cause, what is then?

I happen to think that our squad is a lot better than average (strikers excepted - although BMcD would seem to disagree) and that we have the potential to be doing a lot better than we are. Still, if everyone is happy to underachieve then so be it.

[Gordons Cumming]

Back the manager?

Why not?

One defeat and you lot go off on one.

Pathetic.

I don't see many going "off on one" as you put it. Avon Lady seems to be a bit miffed though.

One defeat and we have a thread on backing the manager.

Ridiculous...........and typically HNA.

[RoyalBlue]

Back the manager?

Why not?

The person who best deserves to be asked that question is Madejski who seems to have great difficulty backing his pretty able managers with the funds they need to be able to compete effectively at this level. Of course they all say that there aren't players available who can add to what we've already got - presumably they're not too keen to fill the dressing room with monkeys feeding off the peanuts that are available.

And we've lost more than one game but the rose tints presumably obscure the results sheet.

So how much funds should the chairman be paying out of his own pocket every year?

Let's go back a bit and how about someone answering the question that Madejski and his supporters appear to avoid like the plague? Just how much money has he actually donated, as opposed to loaned, to the club to date? I bet it's a fair amount less than has been implied in the past. If he made up that shortfall it might be a good start. Afterall, he happily took all the hero worship for donating so much.

And if he won't donate in return for that adulation, how about doing what other chairmen do and secure some finance (god forbid, even loans!) through some other channels. He could even look for for some investors to join him on the board but he has always apppeared very unwilling to share his toy with others. Only child by any chance?

[loyalroyal4life]

thread should be renamed board backing if anything!

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Let's go back a bit and how about someone answering the question that Madejski and his supporters appear to avoid like the plague? Just how much money has he actually donated, as opposed to loaned, to the club to date? I bet it's a fair amount less than has been implied in the past. If he made up that shortfall it might be a good start. Afterall, he happily took all the hero worship for donating so much.

Hard to say as there's little record of it. I remember the purchase of Carl Asaba way back was said to be out of his pocket, rather than a loan, but as hes' not claiming to be pumping millions in, it's rather a moot point.

Unlike your claim that he's not spending enough, yet you are very bashful about putting a figure to what enough would be.

And if he won't donate in return for that adulation, how about doing what other chairmen do and secure some finance (god forbid, even loans!) through some other channels.

So you want the club to run at a loss each year so we are competitive, and you want to achieve this by taking out bank loans?

Real good business plan you have there, I must say.

[Wimb]

Let's go back a bit and how about someone answering the question that Madejski and his supporters appear to avoid like the plague? Just how much money has he actually donated, as opposed to loaned, to the club to date? I bet it's a fair amount less than has been implied in the past. If he made up that shortfall it might be a good start. Afterall, he happily took all the hero worship for donating so much.

And if he won't donate in return for that adulation, how about doing what other chairmen do and secure some finance (god forbid, even loans!) through some other channels. He could even look for for some investors to join him on the board but he has always apppeared very unwilling to share his toy with others. Only child by any chance?

Impossible question to answer without access to the clubs accounts but you would believe at least one jilted player/board member/manager/person with insider info would have blown the whistle and slagged off the chairman which as of yet hasn't happened during his tenure. The only manager with a hint of dissent was Rodgers, and that complaint was blown out of the water by the majority of this board who pointed to the £4 million or so spent on Bertrand, Cummings, Howard, Rasiak, McAnuff and Mills.

Hero worship wasn't ever given to Madejski on the basis of throwing millions at the club, adulation was given to the fact that under his watch we'd moved up from a third tier side to a top tier side and moved from a rusting decrepid stadium into a stadium which is still amongst the top stadia in this country. It's not the chairman's job to make every single decision, but it is his job to make sure the right people are in place to make those decisions and our ascent to the top flight suggested he made the right decisions.

I think he's said publicly on more then one occasion that he's seeking outside investment. Now whether he's trying as hard as he should be is something that we don't know, but there hasn't been any public expressions of interest from anyone else and on that basis you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But why oh why would you be advocating that the club take out more loans? have the countless examples of clubs that have gambled and failed borrowing cash to get to the Premier League not set off any alarm bells? I imagine we already borrow comparable to our minimum expected income and that seems reasonable. If we were honestly one player away from reaching the Premier League then I believe we'd spend that money but can we really say we are that one player away? and can we also honestly say there isn't the quality or potential in the squad as it stands?

[Terminal Boardom]

Thing is, getting rid of BMcD would achieve nothing. Name me a manager who would want to manage a club where the owner declines to invest? As I said previousle, there is a danger of the club falling into an ever decresing circle. Players see that there is little or no investment which, in their eyes, could be seen as a lack of ambition. I honestly believe that BMcD is doing as good a job as possible under the circumstances. How many clubs realistically do well when they sell their one shining star and do not have a taylor made replacement, or a plan B to fill the void?

[SpaceCruiser]

I don't for one minute have any doubts over Brian's ability as Reading manager, but the below post was raised in the Boro match thread earlier so I put it to you; do you back the gaffer, is your support waning, is the wrong man in charge?

Just out of interest, how much of this crap do we have to endure before we can question Brian's suitability for the job?

Just asking.

Hi Jay. Fukking Christ.

[brendywendy]

Posing the question of sacking the manager after just 7 games, when we've won as many as we've lost and have a positive goal difference suggests a drama-queen looking for a crisis.

*Sigh*

When did I say anything about sacking?

If you bothered to read my original question you would see that I asked how much longer we had to put up with this crap before we could question Brian's suitability.

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2 years, 3 months, ten days, 17 hours, 5 minutes and 8 seconds


now, somebody stone the unbeliever.



also you assume the rest of us are here thinking that our first away loss of the season constitutes "this crap"