by T.R.O.L.I. » 12 Dec 2010 22:52
by St Pauli » 12 Dec 2010 22:55
by Ian Royal » 12 Dec 2010 23:08
T.R.O.L.I. I'd say that was fairly conclusive.
by Red » 13 Dec 2010 09:42
by Svlad Cjelli » 13 Dec 2010 09:51
Red Even if the law changes is there really an appitite at RFC to introduce standing?
I remember when the mad stad was being built there was talk of a law change, and the club said even if that happened they'd still go 100% all seater. Ultimately they've been very commercially successful in marketing themselves as a family club - and the number of women and kids you see there must have increased 10 fold from Elm Park.
Not saying women and kids don't want to stand of course...but you can see that for a club that tries to be family friendly, introducing terracing isn't going to sit very easily with that image.
by Mr Angry » 13 Dec 2010 10:08
by Red » 13 Dec 2010 10:09
Svlad Cjelli Who knows, but see the financial justification I posted a few pages back.
by Gloria Gooner » 13 Dec 2010 11:21
Mr Angry As someone who likes all seater stadia, I think that there should be designated standing areas for both home and away fans at gorunds; therefore, those who want to stand have a place to do so; those that don't won't have their view obscured by a load of selfish pcunts. Those that want to stand will have - on their ticket - a waiver from taking legal action against the club, or the Police, in the event of injury caused by being in the standing area.
Furthermore, if that set up were to happen, then I would expect the stewarding to be a lot less relaxed in sitting areas for those who choose to persistently stand.
1 final thing; if it does come to pass, then I hope those who are advocating this will realise that if any fan dies on the terrace, it will be on THEIR conscience.
by Red » 13 Dec 2010 12:06
by Svlad Cjelli » 13 Dec 2010 12:25
Gloria GoonerMr Angry As someone who likes all seater stadia, I think that there should be designated standing areas for both home and away fans at gorunds; therefore, those who want to stand have a place to do so; those that don't won't have their view obscured by a load of selfish pcunts. Those that want to stand will have - on their ticket - a waiver from taking legal action against the club, or the Police, in the event of injury caused by being in the standing area.
Furthermore, if that set up were to happen, then I would expect the stewarding to be a lot less relaxed in sitting areas for those who choose to persistently stand.
1 final thing; if it does come to pass, then I hope those who are advocating this will realise that if any fan dies on the terrace, it will be on THEIR conscience.
Exactly this.
by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 13 Dec 2010 13:57
paultheroyalworking class heroThe massive old terraces are dead and gone and no-one wants them back.
~I want them back - and I know many others who feel the same.
Frankly the safe standing group / FSF and the Supporters Trusts are not going far enough. As ver they only ask for what they deem likely to be acceptable to the owners. Let us ask for what we really want.
Many is not the majority, it wont happen. Support Bracknell if you want to stand on the terraces. Football has moved forwards, we are not going backwards.
by Gloria Gooner » 13 Dec 2010 13:57
by Svlad Cjelli » 13 Dec 2010 14:01
Gloria Gooner 1) I don't want to see ticket price increases to pay for the extra insurance premiums which would presumably be requested.
2) I don't want the person in front of me to be able to stand and obscure my view.
3) I've not said standing is 'liable to cause death' and neither has Mr Angry.
by T.R.O.L.I. » 13 Dec 2010 14:05
Gloria Gooner 2) I don't want the person in front of me to be able to stand and obscure my view.
I'd also expect stewarding in seated areas to be zero-tolerance towards persistent standing if safe-standing areas did come in - I'd also expect supporters to do a certain amount of self-policing, too.
by Gloria Gooner » 13 Dec 2010 14:07
Mr Angry As someone who likes all seater stadia, I think that there should be designated standing areas for both home and away fans at gorunds; therefore, those who want to stand have a place to do so; those that don't won't have their view obscured by a load of selfish pcunts. Those that want to stand will have - on their ticket - a waiver from taking legal action against the club, or the Police, in the event of injury caused by being in the standing area.
by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 13 Dec 2010 18:51
Gloria Gooner 1) I don't want to see ticket price increases to pay for the extra insurance premiums which would presumably be requested.
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by weybridgewanderer » 13 Dec 2010 19:13
Svlad CjelliGloria Gooner 1) I don't want to see ticket price increases to pay for the extra insurance premiums which would presumably be requested.
2) I don't want the person in front of me to be able to stand and obscure my view.
3) I've not said standing is 'liable to cause death' and neither has Mr Angry.
1) Not required, the 80% increase in capacity should pay for conversion costs. See the business case on page 3.
by Svlad Cjelli » 13 Dec 2010 19:46
by West Stand Man » 13 Dec 2010 19:46
Svlad CjelliGloria Gooner 1) I don't want to see ticket price increases to pay for the extra insurance premiums which would presumably be requested.
2) I don't want the person in front of me to be able to stand and obscure my view.
3) I've not said standing is 'liable to cause death' and neither has Mr Angry.
1) Not required, the 80% increase in capacity should pay for conversion costs. See the business case on page 3.
2) Exactly - that's why people who want to stand should be provided with custom-designed safe-standing areas so they can stand without obscuring the views of those who don't want to (or can't) stand.
3) The suggestion that people need to sign a disclaimer "from taking legal action against the club, or the Police, in the event of injury caused by being in the standing area" plus the statement "1 final thing; if it does come to pass, then I hope those who are advocating this will realise that if any fan dies on the terrace, it will be on THEIR conscience." seem pretty clear to me.
by Svlad Cjelli » 13 Dec 2010 19:54
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