QPR points deduction?

[rhroyal]

there could be some very strange scenarios going into the last game of the season as the decision is due 24 hrs before.

It will be stalled and contested. We'll go into the final day of the season unaware what's going on. What a mess. Why the wait?

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

there could be some very strange scenarios going into the last game of the season as the decision is due 24 hrs before.

...and the decision is Russia and Qatar....oh sorry wrong thread....but sentiment the same

[Hampshire Royal]

If they don't get a points deduction then I expect that highly principled man Colin to resign in disgust.

[Stranded]

Going by the fact he was eligible from January - we'll assume 1st Jan and was ineligible up to that point, following the decision made today to deduct Torquay and Hereford points today for playing an ineligible player, QPR should lose the 39 points gained in games Faurlin has played in leaving them on 40 points, 5 points off the relegation zone.

[TFF]

Going by the fact he was eligible from January - we'll assume 1st Jan and was ineligible up to that point, following the decision made today to deduct Torquay and Hereford points today for playing an ineligible player, QPR should lose the 39 points gained in games Faurlin has played in leaving them on 40 points, 5 points off the relegation zone.

Does that include the single point deductions for games they lost?

[brendywendy]

Going by the fact he was eligible from January - we'll assume 1st Jan and was ineligible up to that point, following the decision made today to deduct Torquay and Hereford points today for playing an ineligible player, QPR should lose the 39 points gained in games Faurlin has played in leaving them on 40 points, 5 points off the relegation zone.

i would actuallly wet myself if that happened.

and if theyve done it to those teams, i cant see how they cant do it to QPR

[Stranded]

Going by the fact he was eligible from January - we'll assume 1st Jan and was ineligible up to that point, following the decision made today to deduct Torquay and Hereford points today for playing an ineligible player, QPR should lose the 39 points gained in games Faurlin has played in leaving them on 40 points, 5 points off the relegation zone.

Does that include the single point deductions for games they lost?

No, they only lost one that he played in though.

[andrew1957]

Personally i think it unlikely that the FA will have the bottle to give QPR a significant points deduction, but I do think RFC and the players should do everything they can to finish at least in third place - just in case.

It would be awful to finish fourth by say a point and then see the third placed team upgraded to automatic prmotion - and then we had to face QPR in the play offs!!

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

Personally i think it unlikely that the FA will have the bottle to give QPR a significant points deduction, but I do think RFC and the players should do everything they can to finish at least in third place - just in case.

It would be awful to finish fourth by say a point and then see the third placed team upgraded to automatic prmotion - and then we had to face QPR in the play offs!!

This will be a test as to whether the FA/FL are turning the corner and taking the brave decisions rather than bowing to club pressure and wimping out ....a 10 point deduction and Colin banned from management for life ( ) would not be unreasonable ...as previous posters have said a fine does not fit the crime

[Ian Royal]

The timing is an absolute nightmare. At first I thought it was positive that it's before the season ends. But lets just assume the authorities show some balls and a sense of fairness and penalise QPR by removing 20 points (taking account of normal big club leniency compared to Torquay judgement).

Next day the final game is played and QPR appeal. Appeal process is a week later (that's optimistic). When's the first leg of the play off first round? It's just too tight, so either the FA have to give QPR no right of appeal, or they have no intention of deducting them enough points to actually drop them into the play offs.

Or the FA is utterly utterly incompetant and hasn't considered the possibility of appeals and the timing of the play offs.

This HAS to be done and dusted before the play offs start, because if a decision is not made until after, or a decision is overturned after. Then you'd have carnage, essentially having to play them all over again because one of the automatic teams should have been involved, and QPR or possibly one of the play off teams, shouldn't have been involved.

With a relegation it's a case of two teams involved and relatively easy to switch around. Not so the play offs.

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

The timing is an absolute nightmare. At first I thought it was positive that it's before the season ends. But lets just assume the authorities show some balls and a sense of fairness and penalise QPR by removing 20 points (taking account of normal big club leniency compared to Torquay judgement).

Next day the final game is played and QPR appeal. Appeal process is a week later (that's optimistic). When's the first leg of the play off first round? It's just too tight, so either the FA have to give QPR no right of appeal, or they have no intention of deducting them enough points to actually drop them into the play offs.

Or the FA is utterly utterly incompetant and hasn't considered the possibility of appeals and the timing of the play offs.

This HAS to be done and dusted before the play offs start, because if a decision is not made until after, or a decision is overturned after. Then you'd have carnage, essentially having to play them all over again because one of the automatic teams should have been involved, and QPR or possibly one of the play off teams, shouldn't have been involved.

With a relegation it's a case of two teams involved and relatively easy to switch around. Not so the play offs.

Maybe the timing of the decision fits in nicely with a "thankyou money no object" Grand Prix fest in some far away place ...if only I was the cynical type .........maybe Sepp will get invited along as well.....

[leicsRoyal]

The timing is an absolute nightmare. At first I thought it was positive that it's before the season ends. But lets just assume the authorities show some balls and a sense of fairness and penalise QPR by removing 20 points (taking account of normal big club leniency compared to Torquay judgement).

Next day the final game is played and QPR appeal. Appeal process is a week later (that's optimistic). When's the first leg of the play off first round? It's just too tight, so either the FA have to give QPR no right of appeal, or they have no intention of deducting them enough points to actually drop them into the play offs.

Or the FA is utterly utterly incompetant and hasn't considered the possibility of appeals and the timing of the play offs.

This HAS to be done and dusted before the play offs start, because if a decision is not made until after, or a decision is overturned after. Then you'd have carnage, essentially having to play them all over again because one of the automatic teams should have been involved, and QPR or possibly one of the play off teams, shouldn't have been involved.

With a relegation it's a case of two teams involved and relatively easy to switch around. Not so the play offs.

totally agree,

QPR play Leeds on the last day of the season, who knows what that could mean?

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

The timing is an absolute nightmare. At first I thought it was positive that it's before the season ends. But lets just assume the authorities show some balls and a sense of fairness and penalise QPR by removing 20 points (taking account of normal big club leniency compared to Torquay judgement).

Next day the final game is played and QPR appeal. Appeal process is a week later (that's optimistic). When's the first leg of the play off first round? It's just too tight, so either the FA have to give QPR no right of appeal, or they have no intention of deducting them enough points to actually drop them into the play offs.

Or the FA is utterly utterly incompetant and hasn't considered the possibility of appeals and the timing of the play offs.

This HAS to be done and dusted before the play offs start, because if a decision is not made until after, or a decision is overturned after. Then you'd have carnage, essentially having to play them all over again because one of the automatic teams should have been involved, and QPR or possibly one of the play off teams, shouldn't have been involved.

With a relegation it's a case of two teams involved and relatively easy to switch around. Not so the play offs.

...but on a serious note and a mentioned before ...how is it that the Rooney "You sky customers pay my wages, but you can eff off" case can be done and dusted within a week, but QPRs case -where charges were raised 1st week in March have to wait until the death for the case to be heard..........its obviously being done to provide the authorities with a get-out position and make any appeals null and void ...all IMO !

[Ian Royal]

Because the Rooney incident is a one off cut and dried and all captured on camera.

QPR have to be given the time to go through the evidence the FA has compiled and try to build a case against it through their lawyers. And there is going to be a hell of a lot of evidence and stuff to go through given the offence was over a season and a half, originated almost two years ago, there are multiple charges and finances, dodgy ownership and a cover-up are involved.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

At best they'll deduct enough points to strip them of the title but will end up still in 2nd. Can't see it myself. Think it'll be a fine.

Football isn't fair - otherwise the likes of Cardiff & Pompey wouldn't still be competing at such a high level.

[Snowball]

Going by the fact he was eligible from January - we'll assume 1st Jan and was ineligible up to that point, following the decision made today to deduct Torquay and Hereford points today for playing an ineligible player, QPR should lose the 39 points gained in games Faurlin has played in leaving them on 40 points, 5 points off the relegation zone.

Cruel, but the best result, and hard for anyone to argue with,

[Svlad Cjelli]

there could be some very strange scenarios going into the last game of the season as the decision is due 24 hrs before.

It will be stalled and contested. We'll go into the final day of the season unaware what's going on. What a mess. Why the wait?

Can't see how it can be. The verdict will be announced on the Thursday/Friday. I have no idea what happens if there's a guilty verdict and an appeal, though.....

One thing to be certain about though - the football authorities have seen so many things go to court because of possible failures in their processes over recent years that they're being scrupulously careful to do everything exactly by the book to cut down any possibilities of their processes being used as grounds for appeal.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Because the Rooney incident is a one off cut and dried and all captured on camera.

QPR have to be given the time to go through the evidence the FA has compiled and try to build a case against it through their lawyers. And there is going to be a hell of a lot of evidence and stuff to go through given the offence was over a season and a half, originated almost two years ago, there are multiple charges and finances, dodgy ownership and a cover-up are involved.

Yep - this isn't a question of someone swearing at a a camera, or the form not being filled out properly (like Torquay) - this all hinges on the legal niceties of who exactly owned the player at what and what control the owners and /or QPR had over him at any time. It's down to interpretations of contracts small print and so on. Very very complicated.

[roadrunner]

Agree with Dirk. If there isn't a suitable punishment there will be a que of clubs lining up to sue for missing out on either automatic promotion and the play-offs. Complete nightmare for the FA and FL.

[Cookie]

Perhaps they'll make the deduction next season - you never know.