QPR points deduction?

[Mr Angry]

Sounds like you are - quite rightly - getting worried Dave; a few days ago it was "We are innocent of all charges - nothing to see here!" and today its "Oh, maybe a £60K fine for the agent, 5 points for the lies and the cover up...." (5 points - of course - being enough to ensure you retain the title as well as keep your promotion.......)

As for the "leak" being proof of the FA having "pre-judged" the outcome, how do you know the "quote" wasn't actually an answer to a question "IF QPR are found guilty, what sort of punishment would they likely get?" as opposed to "The FA are going to find QPR quilty and do them for 15 points..."?

Still, keep clutching at straws and have a fun week!

[Gordons Cumming]

I think the very best we can hope is QPR not being able to wear the hoops ever again.

[daveb76]

always been worried about it but I've always been of the opinion we are innocent until proven guilty and I'm not sure what has happened warrants a points deduction when you look at the facts of the case rather than looking at what hapepend to Luton and others with compltly different charges. You can compare the unlicenced agent to the Luton case ore the bristol City one, either way it shows the FA don't have a standard punishment for that.

I think the fa will hit us with a deduction if we are found guilty as they have made that pretty clear with the leaks but give it a year or two and the european court of law will end up making third party ownership legal, much like the bosman ruling, and they will have dug themselves a really big hole.

i shall enjoy the week though, we are champions and deservedly so, not something we see very often down our way.

[Royal Lady]

always been worried about it but I've always been of the opinion we are innocent until proven guilty and I'm not sure what has happened warrants a points deduction when you look at the facts of the case rather than looking at what hapepend to Luton and others with compltly different charges. You can compare the unlicenced agent to the Luton case ore the bristol City one, either way it shows the FA don't have a standard punishment for that.

I think the fa will hit us with a deduction if we are found guilty as they have made that pretty clear with the leaks but give it a year or two and the european court of law will end up making third party ownership legal, much like the bosman ruling, and they will have dug themselves a really big hole.

i shall enjoy the week though, we are champions and deservedly so, not something we see very often down our way.

Out of interest, why have you bothered to join this forum?

[ZacNaloen]

Because he found a 37 page thread and decided to post a multiparagraph post about how pathetic we all are for talking about the one thing that will be talked about with regards to this season for years to come and speculating on the outcome.

[daveb76]

always been worried about it but I've always been of the opinion we are innocent until proven guilty and I'm not sure what has happened warrants a points deduction when you look at the facts of the case rather than looking at what hapepend to Luton and others with compltly different charges. You can compare the unlicenced agent to the Luton case ore the bristol City one, either way it shows the FA don't have a standard punishment for that.

I think the fa will hit us with a deduction if we are found guilty as they have made that pretty clear with the leaks but give it a year or two and the european court of law will end up making third party ownership legal, much like the bosman ruling, and they will have dug themselves a really big hole.

i shall enjoy the week though, we are champions and deservedly so, not something we see very often down our way.

Out of interest, why have you bothered to join this forum?

i saw the 37 page thread on QPR and thought it was worth offering another side to the story rather than the hysteria that was being whipped up.

[leicsRoyal]

always been worried about it but I've always been of the opinion we are innocent until proven guilty and I'm not sure what has happened warrants a points deduction when you look at the facts of the case rather than looking at what hapepend to Luton and others with compltly different charges. You can compare the unlicenced agent to the Luton case ore the bristol City one, either way it shows the FA don't have a standard punishment for that.

I think the fa will hit us with a deduction if we are found guilty as they have made that pretty clear with the leaks but give it a year or two and the european court of law will end up making third party ownership legal, much like the bosman ruling, and they will have dug themselves a really big hole.

i shall enjoy the week though, we are champions and deservedly so, not something we see very often down our way.

Surely the third party ownership is the least of your concerns, although it is breaking the rules.

The charge of falsifying documents would concern me more as surely this amounts to fraud.

[Svlad Cjelli]

i saw the 37 page thread on QPR and thought it was worth offering another side to the story rather than the hysteria that was being whipped up.

But it seems more and more that the "hysteria" is likely to be the reality of the situation. Where does that leave the other side of the story?

[DelBoyRodders]

i saw the 37 page thread on QPR and thought it was worth offering another side to the story rather than the hysteria that was being whipped up.

What other side of the story?
Do you mean QPR's spin on things?

[daveb76]

yeah the falsifying documents would appear the most serious of the charges and is the one that I think would get us a points deduction if we are guilty but no one really knows what the fa feel we lied about, could be the fee, could be the agents name, could be what we paid the club, could be the date, no one has a clue apart from those invovled who are obviously staying quiet.

[daveb76]

i saw the 37 page thread on QPR and thought it was worth offering another side to the story rather than the hysteria that was being whipped up.

But it seems more and more that the "hysteria" is likely to be the reality of the situation. Where does that leave the other side of the story?

not the reality at all, you had talk on here of relegation, 30+ points taken off over two seasons, it was a bit barmy really when you see what the actual charges are. No one knows the reality of the situation at the moment until it's all done and dusted unless anyone really believes the sun of course and the journo invovled in that story has admitted most of the story was guesswork.

[leicsRoyal]

yeah the falsifying documents would appear the most serious of the charges and is the one that I think would get us a points deduction if we are guilty but no one really knows what the fa feel we lied about, could be the fee, could be the agents name, could be what we paid the club, could be the date, no one has a clue apart from those invovled who are obviously staying quiet.

I thought that the FA had informed you of what you needed to do to ensure that the player was made a QPR player and not owned by a third party.
You then submitted documents to them to show that you had done what had been asked of you without ever having done it?

[Svlad Cjelli]

i saw the 37 page thread on QPR and thought it was worth offering another side to the story rather than the hysteria that was being whipped up.

But it seems more and more that the "hysteria" is likely to be the reality of the situation. Where does that leave the other side of the story?

not the reality at all, you had talk on here of relegation, 30+ points taken off over two seasons, it was a bit barmy really when you see what the actual charges are. No one knows the reality of the situation at the moment until it's all done and dusted unless anyone really believes the sun of course and the journo invovled in that story has admitted most of the story was guesswork.

So a few extreme people running away with themselves nullifies the rest of the reasoned and sensible discussion on this thread?

[TFF]

What are the seven charges again?

[ZacNaloen]

Most of the high numbers stuff was people saying what they think the FA should do not what they actually think will happen.

We all know the Fa is spineless.

I still think the punishment for submitting fraudulent documentation should be relegation, doesn't mean I think the FA would actually do it.

[daveb76]

yeah the falsifying documents would appear the most serious of the charges and is the one that I think would get us a points deduction if we are guilty but no one really knows what the fa feel we lied about, could be the fee, could be the agents name, could be what we paid the club, could be the date, no one has a clue apart from those invovled who are obviously staying quiet.

I thought that the FA had informed you of what you needed to do to ensure that the player was made a QPR player and not owned by a third party.
You then submitted documents to them to show that you had done what had been asked of you without ever having done it?

that was what some of the papers suggested but not sure if thats right or not

[Royal Lady]

9 posts - and been monitoring the board previously, waiting to see if anyone started a 37 page thread on QPR and a possible points deduction? How odd. I've never wasted my time arguing on another club's forum or indeed monitoring it to see if they mention Reading!

[leicsRoyal]

yeah the falsifying documents would appear the most serious of the charges and is the one that I think would get us a points deduction if we are guilty but no one really knows what the fa feel we lied about, could be the fee, could be the agents name, could be what we paid the club, could be the date, no one has a clue apart from those invovled who are obviously staying quiet.

I thought that the FA had informed you of what you needed to do to ensure that the player was made a QPR player and not owned by a third party.
You then submitted documents to them to show that you had done what had been asked of you without ever having done it?

that was what some of the papers suggested but not sure if thats right or not

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... 6-28625882

[daveb76]

9 posts - and been monitoring the board previously, waiting to see if anyone started a 37 page thread on QPR and a possible points deduction? How odd. I've never wasted my time arguing on another club's forum or indeed monitoring it to see if they mention Reading!

yeah i've been watching the site for years just on the off chance that you started a 37 page thread about my club or a mate of mine is a Reading fan and told me about it so i thought i'd have a look.

[brendywendy]

i saw the 37 page thread on QPR and thought it was worth offering another side to the story rather than the hysteria that was being whipped up.

But it seems more and more that the "hysteria" is likely to be the reality of the situation. Where does that leave the other side of the story?

not the reality at all, you had talk on here of relegation, 30+ points taken off over two seasons, it was a bit barmy really when you see what the actual charges are. No one knows the reality of the situation at the moment until it's all done and dusted unless anyone really believes the sun of course and the journo invovled in that story has admitted most of the story was guesswork.

tbf falsifying documents to get around rules and laws sound like fraud, and deserves alot more than a paltry point deduction