by Cypry » 11 Sep 2011 11:16
by urz13 » 11 Sep 2011 11:20
by North Somerset Royal » 11 Sep 2011 11:29
by leicsRoyal » 11 Sep 2011 11:32
by Cypry » 11 Sep 2011 12:04
North Somerset Royal Agree with what you say. However the scope for meaningful substitutions was limited from the outset by the make up of the bench which in turn is a product of having a small squad once we discount youngsters not yet up to Championship standard. At the end of the day it comes back to money.
by leicsRoyal » 11 Sep 2011 12:05
CypryNorth Somerset Royal Agree with what you say. However the scope for meaningful substitutions was limited from the outset by the make up of the bench which in turn is a product of having a small squad once we discount youngsters not yet up to Championship standard. At the end of the day it comes back to money.
I'm not convinced by that argument - with 5 subs, the bench is limited anyway effectively to four outfield players.....we have 30 players with squad numbers.....sorry but "having a small squad" is a myth....
by PieEater » 11 Sep 2011 12:09
by sandman » 11 Sep 2011 12:30
by Friday's Legacy » 11 Sep 2011 12:37
by Cypry » 11 Sep 2011 12:44
leicsRoyal Unfortunately at some point there is a spanner or many spanners thrown in the works and at that point Mr Nice has to be Mr Manager
by Friday's Legacy » 11 Sep 2011 12:49
by leicsRoyal » 11 Sep 2011 12:51
by Sarah Star » 11 Sep 2011 12:57
by Friday's Legacy » 11 Sep 2011 13:05
Sarah Star How would that improve our leaky defence, FL? Or are you improving the attack at the expense of the defence?
That's a question, not a criticism.
by Plymouth_Royal » 11 Sep 2011 13:31
PieEater There's also the fact that as a team we've been found out by the opposition. We get closed down everywhere and doubled up on the wings, if Jimmy and Jobi can't beat 2 or 3 players and then find a great cross then we're fooked, there is no plan B. There's little overlapping of the full backs and nobody to run the channels so the end result is a blunt attack.
You can't blame selling key players totally, look at Watford, Palace and Posh, they all sold off their best players but seem to work harder as a team. Buying isn't necessarily a solution either, just look at the money Leicester and Ipswich have spent. Brian needs to work on building the team spirit and then the confidence will come back.
by Millsy » 11 Sep 2011 13:48
by handbags_harris » 11 Sep 2011 13:58
Plymouth_Royal I agree. I hate to say it but the more I look at our performances the more it reminds me of our last season in the prem and the latter of Coppell's last year with us. it's just hoof or get it to the wings as quick as possible. We spend over a million on the pitch every season and never use it effectively. I'm not saying we should become a short passing side looking for the perfect killer pass but surely a bit of variety in our play wouldn't go amiss. Take man utd for example. They can play direct, they can pass the ball about, they have overlapping full backs, creative DMs, creative midfielders, they have 2 fantastic wingers, they have a striker who can hold up the ball, a striker how is very creative, a goal poacher and they all work there socks off.
We have 2 fantastic wingers for our level, we work hard, we play direct, but we have no creative DMs, 1 creative midfielder who wants to leave, we cant pass the ball about without someone panicking and hoofing it, and our full backs are not overlapping. No wonder we're easy to predict.
by MeMeMe » 11 Sep 2011 14:07
Friday's Legacy and what about our style of play? are they ignoring him and playing hoofball against his will? i doubt it. you have to ask questions about the managers style of play and tactics. he has to tell them what he expects and they have to abide by it. if they don't, he has to be strong enough to enforce his decisions.
what ever the system right now it needs to be changed.
even consider going three at the back???
----------------------- fed/mccarthy -----------------------
---------- bongani ------- pearce ------- gorkss ----------
----------------------------- tabb ----------------------------
-- mcanuff ---- karacan -------- leigertwood ---- kebe --
------------------- hunt -------- le fondre ------------------
/on the basis he doesn't seem to want to "keep making changes".
by winchester_royal » 11 Sep 2011 14:15
handbags_harrisPlymouth_Royal I agree. I hate to say it but the more I look at our performances the more it reminds me of our last season in the prem and the latter of Coppell's last year with us. it's just hoof or get it to the wings as quick as possible. We spend over a million on the pitch every season and never use it effectively. I'm not saying we should become a short passing side looking for the perfect killer pass but surely a bit of variety in our play wouldn't go amiss. Take man utd for example. They can play direct, they can pass the ball about, they have overlapping full backs, creative DMs, creative midfielders, they have 2 fantastic wingers, they have a striker who can hold up the ball, a striker how is very creative, a goal poacher and they all work there socks off.
We have 2 fantastic wingers for our level, we work hard, we play direct, but we have no creative DMs, 1 creative midfielder who wants to leave, we cant pass the ball about without someone panicking and hoofing it, and our full backs are not overlapping. No wonder we're easy to predict.
That mirrors almost exactly what my thoughts are on all of this, particularly the highlighted bits. I have said it since we started playing this formation with the core personnel that have been deployed that, ultimately, it is limited and will only get you so far. It worked last season with the fairly solid base of a standard back four and two midfielders with better defensive attributes than attacking, but last season we had what turned out to be an exceptional talent at the top with Long. Under Coppell we had the likes of Kitson initially, then Doyle, under McDermott we had Long. Now we have no exceptional talent up front we suddenly look very, very ordinary because our only two attacking outlets - the flanks - are effectively and easily nullified. We are now in a situation where we have no creativity through the middle, our flanks are stifled, and therefore in order to at least abate the situation we absolutely have to play a ball-playing midfielder in the middle of the park, and we have a more than capable man who can do it at this level sitting twiddling his thumbs hoping for a loan move. He won't be a world beater, he'll make mistakes, he'll lose the ball trying to thread little balls into the channels but he rarely loses it in dangerous areas. Who do we drop though? We can only drop one of two - Karacan or Leigertwood - and up until yesterday's performance I would have said drop Karacan because he is the more limited of the two, but Leigertwood has just looked so full of lethargy that he is literally half the player we had last year.
What am I basically saying? We need another dimension to our attack, and that can only come from one area of the field in my mind - the middle of the park.
by RoyalJames101 » 11 Sep 2011 14:28
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