The Snowball stat thread

[Snowball]

Snowball: a strange case.

That is all.

until the next time, lover.

[Snowball]

Thirdly though, you are incorrect about zero infinities. Zero has no multiplicative inverse, so can’t be defined. Quite simply, think of 1/x as x increases towards infinity. You get closer to zero, sure but as maximum infinity can’t be reached, neither can zero. Hence, the inverse of that equation will give an undefined result, not infinity. And man, if asked for an honest show of hands of who in here googleraped thier answers it would be like Neremburg.
A bit. Well, not really. But there would be a lot of hands shooting into the air. And p|ss being drunk.

AMAZING the number of "mathematicians" on this board. etc.


Let's back up a moment.

1. This is a thread called "When the Strikers Score etc."

2. It's about minutes played when starting, when on as a sub

3. It's about goals scored as a starter or as a sub.

4. It's about THAT measure. In other places I've talked about assists etc.


Because a spreadsheet protests at DIV by 0, and to make stats line up readably,
I put 9999 (Minutes per Goal) against those players who have not scored a goal.

Now, any normal human being, seeing "0" in goals scored, might bother to work that out,
but, no, some cnut has to point out that 276/0 is not 9999. Oh, wow, I didn't know that...

Now, as it happens, I have a BA a BSc and an MA and I'm currently studying for two
more BA's simultaneously. Thick, I'm not.

Said "cnut" posts, "276/0 is not 999" and I joke back, "Well it's hard to type infinity"

Now every single person on this board who understands any maths KNOWS (as I know)
that in the strictest sense you cannot divide a number by zero. I know that and I knew
that when I responded in the first instance. It's a oxf*rd shorthand fer Chrissakes.

I might have said, "For a decimal APPROACHING zero, for example decimal 5000 zeroes then 1,
that, .0000....0001 divided into 276 will produce a number so large it would take an extremely long time to
type (and it would fill a lot of bandwidth) it's TENDING TOWARDS infinity.

In noddy pub-speak (one intellectual level above most of this board's discussions) that is
"Division by zero returns infinity."

I spend every oxf*rd day having define terms rigorously, I am oxf*rd if I'm going to do it here
when 98% of the time it's irrelevant anyway.

And, just so you know. I will ignore all future posts on that matter.

[Platypuss]

Said "cnut" posts, "276/0 is not 999" and I joke back, "Well it's hard to type infinity"

Now every single person on this board who understands any maths KNOWS (as I know)
that in the strictest sense you cannot divide a number by zero. I know that and I knew
that when I responded in the first instance. It's a oxf*rd shorthand fer Chrissakes.

LIES

If you were just "joking", rather than actually believing it, why did you then go on to say:

276 divided by zero does not equal "infinity"

It doesn't?

Which school did you go to.

Go on, see if you can do it.
Just for the once, see if you can admit that you were WRONG.

[Snowball]

I-am-not-wrong.

I am TOTALLY happy with mu=y loose use of the English Language
and I will go to my grave saying the same thing (should the situation ever
arise again.)

I was taught, "You can't divide by zero because the result is infinity."

I-STILL-BELIEVE-THAT"



I absolutely, totally, agree with those who say, "You cannot divide by zero, it is undefined."

I will ALSO agree with anyone who says ""X divided by zero is infinity."

I know EXACTLY what I mean. I am perfectly happy with what I mean.

I mean, dearest, my sweet, that as the number dividing get INCREDIBLY SMALL, the answer gets INCREDIBLY LARGE, and when taken to the greatest extremes, for example when the number dividing is

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the result will be a number probably exceeding the total number of atoms in the universe*


and TO ME. That is as oxf*rd near to oxf*rd infinity as I care.



*Just in case you roll out yet another moron, that is hyperbole.

Strange as it may seem, i don't actually KNOW how many atoms there are in the universe
but it is certainly "a lot".

[Platypuss]

Naturally you are free to believe what you like (we know you are are impervious to valid criticism) - just don't LIE in your increasingly desperate attempts at self-justification.

[Snowball]

I am not a liar

[Bandini]

Awkward.

[Maguire]

276/0 is infinity[/b]

I-am-not-wrong

Yeah, you really are.

Top Tip: if 90% of your posts are going to have numbers in them, go away and learn how numbers work

[Extended-Phenotype]

Snowball:

1. You missed the point entirely. I could give a toss if the minutes are near equal. 5 minutes against Crawley does not equate to 5 minutes against Real Madrid. Reading playing differently against a different team playing differently makes the stat insubstantial.

2. If you believe x/0 =/= infinity, why did you insult somebody who put this forward, stubbornly defend the opposite and argue against it for 5 pages instead of just saying you were just using shorthand?

Incidentally, you could believe that x/0 equals an indefinable integer or a squirrel with a pie-making vagina for all it matters, these stats still don’t have any real value.

[dogzbollox]

There's lies,,,,,,,,, There's damn Lies..... Then there's statistics - you know that!

[Vision]

There's lies,,,,,,,,, There's damn Lies..... Then there's statistics - you know that!

Or Snowballistics as we call them round here.

[Simon's Church]

This thread deserves a

[Snowball]

There's lies,,,,,,,,, There's damn Lies..... Then there's statistics - you know that!

"It's easier to lie with statistics

It's much easier to lie without statistics."

Natalie Angier

[Snowball]

Snowball:

1. You missed the point entirely. I could give a toss if the minutes are near equal. 5 minutes against Crawley does not equate to 5 minutes against Real Madrid. Reading playing differently against a different team playing differently makes the stat insubstantial.

No, YOU miss the point, not that I am surprised.

For "quality of opposition" to be relevant requires one hell of a lot of assumptions.

In the case of Church-Hunt-Le Fondre playing for RFC this season YOU will need to show that "somehow"
one of them played against inferior opposition and another played against superior opposition, but you quite simply cannot.

You, as is your wont in being cute and distorting basic facts, introduce "Crawley" and "Real Madrid"
but in the case of Church-Hunt-Le Fondre ALL THE GAMES HAVE BEEN PLAYED AGAINST CHAMPIONSHIP CLUBS
and there is no bias to be found (for example Church playing top half clubs and Hunt bottom half)

Further there are at least 40 instances where two of the players PLAYED IN THE SAME GAME.

There are instances where 2 of the 3 started, others where Hunt came on for Church, others
where Church came on for Hunt... and you have the same thing with Le Fondre.

Their minutes are equivalent, the quality of opposition is equivalent, the stars/sub ratios are equivalent.


There is one major thing wrong with these stats, though, and that is the total number of goals.

Because these are 3-6-6, single goals have a major effect on ratios, but again le Fondre and Church have both scored a brace

[Wycombe Royal]

Snowball:

1. You missed the point entirely. I could give a toss if the minutes are near equal. 5 minutes against Crawley does not equate to 5 minutes against Real Madrid. Reading playing differently against a different team playing differently makes the stat insubstantial.

No, YOU miss the point, not that I am surprised.

So now you are telling him that he missed his OWN point? My flabber is ghasted.

[Snowball]

276/0 is infinity[/b]

I-am-not-wrong

Yeah, you really are.

Top Tip: if 90% of your posts are going to have numbers in them, go away and learn how numbers work

Nope. I've explained myself. You know and I know that whereas the exact division by exact zero is (as you say) "undefined" because the divide-multiply thing is not reversible, we still DO know that as the number x with zillions of zeroes-1 decimal APPROACHES zero, so does the answer to 1/X approach infinity. In everyday discourse i am more than happy to refer to that as 1/0 is infinity.

But please post 400 posts a day saying this is wrong.

As far as I'm concerned it's NOT wrong.



And as for the rest of your bollox, this has NOTHING to do with counting minutes and goals

[Snowball]

Snowball:

1. You missed the point entirely. I could give a toss if the minutes are near equal. 5 minutes against Crawley does not equate to 5 minutes against Real Madrid. Reading playing differently against a different team playing differently makes the stat insubstantial.

No, YOU miss the point, not that I am surprised.

So now you are telling him that he missed his OWN point? My flabber is ghasted.

Oh DO explain. How "the" refers to his point, my point of McDermott's point?

I continued to EXPLAIN what "the" refers to.

You're like a child going nah-nah nah.

Whose turn next (Ian Royal is a bit late, he usually drops in a smiley every tenth post)

[Maguire]

276/0 is infinity[/b]

I-am-not-wrong

Yeah, you really are.

Top Tip: if 90% of your posts are going to have numbers in them, go away and learn how numbers work

Nope. I've explained myself. You know and I know that whereas the exact division by exact zero is (as you say) "undefined" because the divide-multiply thing is not reversible, we still DO know that as the number x with zillions of zeroes-1 decimal APPROACHES zero, so does the answer to 1/X approach infinity. In everyday discourse i am more than happy to refer to that as 1/0 is infinity.

But please post 400 posts a day saying this is wrong.

As far as I'm concerned it's NOT wrong.

And as for the rest of your bollox, this has NOTHING to do with counting minutes and goals

Now now, why are you being so rude to me?

I realise nobody likes to be proven wrong on a public forum, but you seem to be unduly rattled by it.

[Platypuss]

There's lies,,,,,,,,, There's damn Lies..... Then there's statistics - you know that!

Or Snowballistics as we call them round here.

Spastistics?

[Wycombe Royal]

He really isn't a great advert for the older generation. He should be showing the young'uns how to behave maturely.