Portsmouth fc

[Tony Le Mesmer]

Whereas there is a massive part of me that wants PFC to disappear into oblivion, there is a small part that hopes that they are able to fulfill their fixtures this season. Should Reading gain promotion by default would not be the best way. There would be way too many people pointing the finger saying that Reading did not deserve to go up based on West Ham's 6 point deduction. I wonder what the reaction would be if Reading's and West Ham's positions were reversed?

I'd feel like I did when we finished 2nd in 94/95 and missed out on automatic promotion...

Can't buy that one. We knew from the start of the season that there would only be one automatic promotion place. Plus, the records show that Bolton lost their last league game safe in the knowledge that they had already secured a play off place and subsequently rested their key players. Had there been 2 automatic places up for grabs, I believe Bolton would have won their final game.

Very true. We were never in the top 2 all season. Bit of a myth the top 2 thing from that season, had it been 2 up we would not have finished 2nd. We only got 79 points as well a very low total for 2nd place.

[Tony Le Mesmer]

Has anyone stopped to think that keeping Portsmouth alive will actually lead to a slower and more painfull death? It wont stop at League 1 the mess they are in, just ask Luton, Plymouth and Bradford. Keeping them going until May also rules out a Pheonix clun until 2013/14.

Seems much of the Portsmouth support would rather they were just put out of their misery now.

[Royal With Cheese]

Why do people keep saying that Portsmouth's results being expunged would be a specific disadvantage to West Ham (and presumably others) It would simply reduce the league to 44 games and if West Ham get fewer points in those games than we do then that's their look out.

Come on SF, really? Or perhaps I deserve a whoosh is its so fcuking obvious that West Ham would be 6 points worse off to our 3.

[Royal Lady]

:facepalm for Foxers there?!!

[Wimb]

Why do people keep saying that Portsmouth's results being expunged would be a specific disadvantage to West Ham (and presumably others) It would simply reduce the league to 44 games and if West Ham get fewer points in those games than we do then that's their look out.

Come on SF, really? Or perhaps I deserve a whoosh is its so fcuking obvious that West Ham would be 6 points worse off to our 3.

SF makes a valid point in that it would be a level 44 game playing field, yes West Ham would lose more points than us but they wouldn't technically lose anything as they'd have had the same 44 games as we had.

[Silver Fox]

Why do people keep saying that Portsmouth's results being expunged would be a specific disadvantage to West Ham (and presumably others) It would simply reduce the league to 44 games and if West Ham get fewer points in those games than we do then that's their look out.

Come on SF, really? Or perhaps I deserve a whoosh is its so fcuking obvious that West Ham would be 6 points worse off to our 3.

They would lose more points when the action is taken but the league is all year and if this were to happen would be over 44 games, the non-existent Portsmouth games are irrelevant

[No Fixed Abode]

Why do people keep saying that Portsmouth's results being expunged would be a specific disadvantage to West Ham (and presumably others) It would simply reduce the league to 44 games and if West Ham get fewer points in those games than we do then that's their look out.

Come on SF, really? Or perhaps I deserve a whoosh is its so fcuking obvious that West Ham would be 6 points worse off to our 3.

He's having a bad day.

[Silver Fox]

and of course once Kes weighs in against my point I'm happy to have been proved right

[No Fixed Abode]

and of course once Kes weighs in against my point I'm happy to have been proved right

keep trying to dig yourself out of this one....

[Silver Fox]

Nothing to dig m8 but for the people who don't understand we can look at it from another direction. Fat Sam is saying this would be unfair to West ham, so presumably if Pompey go under (which it's looking more like the league won't allow anyway) for them not to be unfairly treated they get to keep their results and anyone yet to play Pompey a second time only gets a 45 game season?

[Ian Royal]

SF is spot on.

There is no unfairness or going up without merit if we manage it because Pompey fold. It just means we're better than West Ham over 44 games as has been said. Them's the rules, everyone knows them. If it screws West Ham, well, they should have beaten Watford then.

[exileinleeds]

Nothing to dig m8 but for the people who don't understand we can look at it from another direction. Fat Sam is saying this would be unfair to West ham, so presumably if Pompey go under (which it's looking more like the league won't allow anyway) for them not to be unfairly treated they get to keep their results and anyone yet to play Pompey a second time only gets a 45 game season?

...and what about a struggling team who played them earlier then have to watch their closest rivals - Forest for example- who get to play them right at the end when the "best" players have gone, are demoralised, and can't even afford to buy a goal.

The rules for failing to finish the season are there- all clubs signed up to them.

If the FL are agreeing that money due to Pompey will be available to the administrator, fine. If it is not enough- they go, the points are wiped...and winners/losers just have to suck it up.

If it ends that they cannot complete the season and Fat Sam and WHU implode with indignation - well that is just a massive bonus...about time they knew what it is like to get shafted.

[Royal With Cheese]

Why do people keep saying that Portsmouth's results being expunged would be a specific disadvantage to West Ham (and presumably others) It would simply reduce the league to 44 games and if West Ham get fewer points in those games than we do then that's their look out.

Come on SF, really? Or perhaps I deserve a whoosh is its so fcuking obvious that West Ham would be 6 points worse off to our 3.

They would lose more points when the action is taken but the league is all year and if this were to happen would be over 44 games, the non-existent Portsmouth games are irrelevant

True - but at the start of the season (not year) it was presumed all teams would fulfill their fixtures. There is a possibility that this might not be the case. West Ham would effectively "lose" six points already gained. We would only "lose" 3. If you can't see the net effect is negative for West Ham and positive for us then I can only presume you are having a bad day.

[Terminal Boardom]

Has anyone stopped to think that keeping Portsmouth alive will actually lead to a slower and more painfull death? It wont stop at League 1 the mess they are in, just ask Luton, Plymouth and Bradford. Keeping them going until May also rules out a Pheonix clun until 2013/14.

Seems much of the Portsmouth support would rather they were just put out of their misery now.

A phoenix club would need to present its business case to the FA by 31st March in order to be considered for election into the non league pyramid for 2012/13 season. That is the key deadline as far as next season is concerned. They would also need to prove that there is a lease / groundshare in place or the minimum of a tenancy at will.

[Silver Fox]

They would lose more points when the action is taken but the league is all year and if this were to happen would be over 44 games, the non-existent Portsmouth games are irrelevant

True.

Apology accepted

[No Fixed Abode]

But Reading would be rewarded for losing against Portsmouth and West Ham would be punished for beating them twice.

[Terminal Boardom]

But Reading would be rewarded for losing against Portsmouth and West Ham would be punished for beating them twice.

No. The season would be based on 44 games instead of 46.

[Silver Fox]

RwC - I will of course concede that if results were expunged the West Ham points total at that time would reduce by 3 pts more than ours, but that's the short term. I believe there's a famous phrase regarding the length of a season.

[Cobi]

But Reading would be rewarded for losing against Portsmouth and West Ham would be punished for beating them twice.

I think all Championship clubs should club together and give all the lost and gained points to Chelsea to aid them in their epic battle for 5th place.

[FiNeRaIn]

People should refuse to play them. What if clubs get injuries for a game they may not even get points for? What a joke.

Also fans who bought tickets for those games should get refunds...seeing as it doesnt count.