Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

[weybridgewanderer]

Sky have not said anything about pulling out if Rangers aren't in the SPL.

the SKY contract states that there must be 4 old firm games a season

[Royal With Cheese]

Sky have not said anything about pulling out if Rangers aren't in the SPL.

the SKY contract states that there must be 4 old firm games a season

Is that true? Or does it merely state that any SPL games between Rangers and Celtic are screened on SKY?

[Ian Royal]

Sky have not said anything about pulling out if Rangers aren't in the SPL.

the SKY contract states that there must be 4 old firm games a season

Link or it's speculation on your part as far as I'm concerned.

[superreadingfan]

spl has an elephant in the room ever since they started signing big bux tv deals thinking they were the epl fact is they need to realize that they cant rely on two teams to keep the league alive. they need massive restructuring but with celtic and ranger apologists towing the line for the spl i dont have much hope for it.

[Mr Angry]

all these teams have contracts with players whch require the SKY TV money and the money from the visits of rangers and celtics away support

with no rangers this money would all disappear, and the clubs will have players on contracts that they cant afford

How much does a club like Hibernian get from SKY anyway? Most of the SKY money goes directly to the OF.

How much would the SKY money drop for them if they renegotiated a deal?

In the background, though, most clubs are bricking it.

Take Dundee United. They get 29 per cent of their turnover from central revenue. Same again from season tickets. The rest is made up of, sponsorship, gate money, commercial income, yadda yadda.

For clubs like St Johnstone, the figure for central income is closer to 50 per cent.

And there's not one of them, other than Celtic, who could afford to lose the guts of that money overnight.

People keep saying to me the Sky threat isn't real - that they'll be there, or there will be a deal in its place.

If that was true, the chairmen would be sleeping at night. And they're not.

Because it's not as simple as taking it away and saying 'Doesn't matter, just cut your cloth, the game will be better for it anyway'.

Maybe it would, but the reality is the clubs have contracts to honour, commitments made on the basis of income forecasts.

Players' wages, staff, rent for training grounds - they don't go away, even if you lose 30 per cent of your revenue.

Obviously the counterpoint is that by voting yes, they alienate their own fans instead. And they can't afford that either.

Basically, what you are saying is that regardless of whatever either of the 2 Old Firm clubs do, they are untouchable and that Scottish football would collapse without them.

As a result, a Newco Rangers HAVE to be allowed into the SPl or else Sky pull out and all the clubs have no money.

If thats correct, then Scottish football is utterly corrupt and totally pointless.

[Royal With Cheese]

It was pretty pointless before Rangers folded TBF.

WWF have more credibility than the SPL if this happens.

[Uke]

spl has an elephant in the room ever since they started signing big bux tv deals thinking they were the epl fact is they need to realize that they cant rely on two teams to keep the league alive.

Precisely, you need four teams

[winchester_royal]

spl has an elephant in the room ever since they started signing big bux tv deals thinking they were the epl fact is they need to realize that they cant rely on two teams to keep the league alive.

Precisely, you need four teams

Bless.

[RFCUK]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18476930

Rangers replaced with 'Club 12' in SPL fixture list

[Ian Royal]

It was pretty pointless before Rangers folded TBF.

WWF have more credibility than the SPL if this happens.

what's the World Wide Fund for nature done to rile you?

[Dare to Dr£am]

On the flip side of financial crisis, Watford are the latest club to enter takeover talks, and a very wealthy owner in waiting by all accounts, already talking about the Prem and Europe.

Forest and Leeds also in discussions with respective new owners.

[Super_horns]

On the flip side of financial crisis, Watford are the latest club to enter takeover talks, and a very wealthy owner in waiting by all accounts, already talking about the Prem and Europe.

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Sounds like we ought to hope that is true!

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/ ... e_Bassini/

[weybridgewanderer]

Sky have not said anything about pulling out if Rangers aren't in the SPL.

the SKY contract states that there must be 4 old firm games a season

Link or it's speculation on your part as far as I'm concerned.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... l-sky-espn


"The Scottish Premier League has agreed a television deal with Sky Sports and ESPN which will run until the end of the 2016-17 season. They will pay a combined £80m to continue to screen 30 live SPL matches each per season. The figure represents an increase of £3m a year on the existing broadcast agreement due to end in 2014.

Central to the deal is the continuation of four Old Firm matches each season. This removes the possibility of the meaningful expansion of the 12-team SPL for which supporters have campaigned."

[Ian Royal]

Hmmm, SKY have done them up like a kipper.

[paultheroyal]

Without the old firm games, lets be honest there is nothing else appealing about Scottish football and that contract halves in price!

[superreadingfan]

so it comes down to does SPL have a backbone (which would be a first) and rightfully punish rangers or do they let them back in to the SPL so they keep the money money money.. I wonder what old Gretna fans must be thinking..

[Mr Angry]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -deal.html

Looks like Rangers and their supporters, were talking bollox about the Sky deal, in order to try and pressurise and bully the other SPL clubs into allowing Newco Rangers straight into the SPL.

"Sky has rubbished claims it is set to pull the plug on Scottish football if Rangers are not playing in the top flight next season."

The prospect of the existing agreement being shredded as a result of the ongoing saga looks nil, however. Reports last week claimed Sky were ready to rip up the existing deal if its terms were breached. But a senior London source told Sportsmail that, although a degree of renegotiation might be required in that eventuality, there is no question of the broadcaster walking away.

Sky has never, ever discussed pulling out of covering Scottish football,’ he said.

'We have not discussed that possibility, either with the SPL or any other footballing authority. Nor has that been on the agenda for consideration within Sky, despite all the problems and difficulties being faced by Scottish football at present.

'If Rangers are not in the SPL, that would change things for us, naturally. It would leave a quality hole in Scotland’s top division. Competition would deteriorate and, in that event, we would have to renegotiate.

‘But let us be very clear — we have always tried to be supportive of Scottish football and have never made any negative noises or sent any negative messages.

‘Scottish football is still very much in our plans for the future. Walking away has never been on our agenda.’

[weybridgewanderer]

I think this line in the atricle you posted says it all

"a degree of renegotiation might be required in that eventuality"

I think this supports what the Rangers fans have been saying about the SKY deal

Most rangers fans I know will accept starting again in Div 3, including me

What I do not want is a "we want you back in coz we need your money but we want to make sure you cannot compete for 3/4/5 seasons"

[watfordroyal]

I think this line in the atricle you posted says it all

"a degree of renegotiation might be required in that eventuality"

I think this supports what the Rangers fans have been saying about the SKY deal

Most rangers fans I know will accept starting again in Div 3, including me

What I do not want is a "we want you back in coz we need your money but we want to make sure you cannot compete for 3/4/5 seasons"

But the OF take the lions share of the sky deal, the other clubs will get less than £1m a year from the new deal, so it is only Rangers & Celtic that will essentially lose out of any renegotiation, and so greater competition.

[Uke]

^^ this

reduce the total, but distribute more cash to the each of the remaining clubs