Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

[AthleticoSpizz]

a "magnum"?

hoho

[Tony Le Mesmer]

The old club is Glasgow Rangers

The new one is just Rangers

Thats not true. The old club's name was The Rangers Football Club. No Glasgow in it.

[TBM]

The old club is Glasgow Rangers

The new one is just Rangers

Thats not true. The old club's name was The Rangers Football Club. No Glasgow in it.

Thats not what Gordon Smith said on TalkSport earlier this evening.....

[Franchise FC]

tbf, this bloke has a point

"Interesting word, integrity. Hearts £30m debt, HMRC winding up orders and failure to pay players. Motherwell in admin receive NO punishment and avoid relegation despite finishing bottom in 2003. Dundee allowed back in SPL despite double admin record. Pacific shelf 595 ltd change their corporate structure in the 90s but nothing is mentioned about that. Meanwhile, Rangers deducted 10 points, kicked out of spl and europe, lose their whole team, fined and that's still not enough punishment. Sporting integrity..."

Have any of the aforementioned actually been sold to a newco because they are on the point of being liquidated ?

[Barry the bird boggler]

NewCo is a completely new club, as they've been keen to stress, so they are not liable for any old punishments or any old debt. They were not "kicked out" of the SPL. The new club's application to rejoin the SPL directly was rejected.


The new Rangers re being treated just as any completely new club would be treated if they applied to join.

Rangers "cheated" to the tune of £134 million worth of financial advantage which they couldn't afford to pay back, then attempted to wriggle out of the whole lot on a legal technicality. They are in no position to lecture anybody about integrity.

So the correct answer to the question, how many times have Rangers won the Scottish League, Scottish Cup etc. is therefore NONE.

And no "old firm" derbies are likely for at least 3 years.

[Franchise FC]

NewCo is a completely new club, as they've been keen to stress, so they are not liable for any old punishments or any old debt. They were not "kicked out" of the SPL. The new club's application to rejoin the SPL directly was rejected.


The new Rangers re being treated just as any completely new club would be treated if they applied to join.

Rangers "cheated" to the tune of £134 million worth of financial advantage which they couldn't afford to pay back, then attempted to wriggle out of the whole lot on a legal technicality. They are in no position to lecture anybody about integrity.

So the correct answer to the question, how many times have Rangers won the Scottish League, Scottish Cup etc. is therefore NONE.

And no "old firm" derbies are likely for at least 3 years.

Why ? Be prepared for some unlikey luck in the cup competitions, where each round in whch Celtic and Rangers are drawn together is deemed a two-legged affair - both legs televised.

Or - the newly formed 'Old Firm Cup' with four games spread across the season. Rangers will be allowed to 'loan' ex-players for these specific games to make them a little more competitive.

[soggy biscuit]

They have genuinely mentioned bringing back the Glasgow Cup for a few seasons

[Franchise FC]

They have genuinely mentioned bringing back the Glasgow Cup for a few seasons

Bugger - I thought that was my idea

[watfordroyal]

They have genuinely mentioned bringing back the Glasgow Cup for a few seasons

Bugger - I thought that was my idea

But you're prob right, they'll change the format to a best of four final, spread over the season.

[Stranded]

Dundee asked to fill Rangers spot. Dunfermline threatening legal action. The fun continues.

[Barry the bird boggler]

Dundee asked to fill Rangers spot. Dunfermline threatening legal action. The fun continues.

Precedent in England is that the relegated club is reprieved. Has anything happened in any Scottish league along these lines before?

[Deadlock]

Dundee asked to fill Rangers spot. Dunfermline threatening legal action. The fun continues.

Precedent in England is that the relegated club is reprieved. Has anything happened in any Scottish league along these lines before?

Sort of. In 2008 Gretna were relegated from the SPL, but then went into liquidation. Their place in Division 1 was filled by Airdrie United, who were runners up in the First Division play-offs that season (SFL play-offs involve the ninth placed club from the higher league against the second - fourth placed in the lower).

Not quite the same situation, as there aren't play-offs for the SPL, but the precedent of not saving a club from relegation exists in Scottish football.

[6ft Kerplunk]

Can kind of see Dunfermline's point. They were in the league with Rangers so were directly affected by their finanical cheating so why shouldn't they benefit from Rangers downfall.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

The SPL's regulations even state...

Club ceasing to play and be a member of the League

H5 If any Club in the League ceases to operate or to be member of the League for any reason, its playing record in the League may be expunged and the number of relegation places from the League shall be reduced accordingly.

[Barry the bird boggler]

The SPL's regulations even state...

Club ceasing to play and be a member of the League

H5 If any Club in the League ceases to operate or to be member of the League for any reason, its playing record in the League may be expunged and the number of relegation places from the League shall be reduced accordingly.

In that case I would say Dunfermline have a very strong case to lay a legal challenge, although the SPL could argue that the implication of the rule is that if a club ceases operation during a season which Rangers didn't.

This is going to run and run, when does the Scottish season start?

[Mr Angry]

The SPL's regulations even state...

Club ceasing to play and be a member of the League

H5 If any Club in the League ceases to operate or to be member of the League for any reason, its playing record in the League may be expunged and the number of relegation places from the League shall be reduced accordingly.

In that case I would say Dunfermline have a very strong case to lay a legal challenge, although the SPL could argue that the implication of the rule is that if a club ceases operation during a season which Rangers didn't.

This is going to run and run, when does the Scottish season start?

2 weeks

[Barry the bird boggler]

The SPL's regulations even state...

Club ceasing to play and be a member of the League

H5 If any Club in the League ceases to operate or to be member of the League for any reason, its playing record in the League may be expunged and the number of relegation places from the League shall be reduced accordingly.

In that case I would say Dunfermline have a very strong case to lay a legal challenge, although the SPL could argue that the implication of the rule is that if a club ceases operation during a season which Rangers didn't.

This is going to run and run, when does the Scottish season start?

2 weeks

[Mr Angry]

The Dunfermline chairman was on SSN this morning saying that whilst they are taking legal advice, they don't want to be responsible for delaying the start of the Scottish season.

The problem with this whole thing is the leaked email from Stewart Regan, the SFA Chief Exec, who appeared to be directing members to allow Dundee (no doubt seeing more money coming into the SPL from them than from Dunfermline) into the SPL; Dunfermline may well view that as a tacit admission that they have been done up like an Arbroath Smokie.....

[Silver Fox]

Wouldn't you rather reward someone for their play the previous season than let someone off who was bobbins?

[Tony Le Mesmer]

Wouldn't you rather reward someone for their play the previous season than let someone off who was bobbins?

Yep. Which is why I think the non-league way of reprieving clubs is all wrong.