Another good win for the younger guys today, with Samuel scoring a Messi-esque goal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOBDhLlRMDY&feature=youtu.be
Follows up a 4-3 victory yesterday for the U18's against Everton in which Ikpeazu scored another hat-trick taking his tally for the season to 22 goals from 20 games. If only things were looking as good for the first team.
Anyone stand out today for those who went?
u21 today
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I thought Arnold and Samuel were superb today. If we go down then Samuel should definitely be in the first team. The only downside being the 5 subs rule, unless football league clubs vote for 7 again this summer.
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Samuel, Edwards (in the first half), Keown and D'ath stood out most for me. Arnold also looking to be developing into a good right back.
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Divvy I thought Arnold and Samuel were superb today. If we go down then Samuel should definitely be in the first team. The only downside being the 5 subs rule, unless football league clubs vote for 7 again this summer.
Football League moved back to 7 subs at the start of this season so no issue.
andrew1957Divvy I thought Arnold and Samuel were superb today. If we go down then Samuel should definitely be in the first team. The only downside being the 5 subs rule, unless football league clubs vote for 7 again this summer.
Football League moved back to 7 subs at the start of this season so no issue.
Fantastic! I wasn't aware of that. I'm always a bit ignorant to the leagues we're not involved in.. 7 subs is a great idea, especially at that level, as one or two fringe youngsters can get a chance. Next season that could well be Obita and Samuel.
With Hunt and Roberts free's in the summer, and Pog likely to go if we go down, there is a great opportunity for Samuel to come in (and also save the club a few quid in two or three new strikers.
I couldn't make it to the game so .have a genuine question for those that did.
From what I've seen of him he doesn't seem particularly fast and he doesn't look particularly strong when you compare him to the standards of the first team mens games. He also appears to have a bit of a tendancy to go it alone, when he should perhaps be picking a pass - although that goal came off, if he had been playing at a higher level there were 4/5 changes for the ball to be nicked away.
So what is it about him that sticks out apart from his goalscoring record for both our reserves and England u19s?
Looks like he could be a decent all round player in time and has a good eye for goal but what makes people think he's there or thereabouts for the fringe of the squad next season rather than needing a season or two at a lower level? He's only featured in 3 senior games after all. (understanding that being in and around the first team should aid quicker development etc etc).
From what I've seen of him he doesn't seem particularly fast and he doesn't look particularly strong when you compare him to the standards of the first team mens games. He also appears to have a bit of a tendancy to go it alone, when he should perhaps be picking a pass - although that goal came off, if he had been playing at a higher level there were 4/5 changes for the ball to be nicked away.
So what is it about him that sticks out apart from his goalscoring record for both our reserves and England u19s?
Looks like he could be a decent all round player in time and has a good eye for goal but what makes people think he's there or thereabouts for the fringe of the squad next season rather than needing a season or two at a lower level? He's only featured in 3 senior games after all. (understanding that being in and around the first team should aid quicker development etc etc).
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He isn't ready, but he looks better than his age level, so is on the cusp of being so,
He needs a full season loan rather than a month here or there so he can get a decent number of first team games under his belt.
OR we just play him next year and throw him in the deep end.
He needs a full season loan rather than a month here or there so he can get a decent number of first team games under his belt.
OR we just play him next year and throw him in the deep end.
Sky Sports now saying that Dagenham want Samuel on loan.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8539880/?
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8539880/?
Sky Sports understands Reading starlet Dominic Samuel is in line for a loan move to Dagenham & Redbridge.
League Two outfit Dagenham are keen to bolster their attacking options and they are hoping to strike a deal to sign England Under 19 international Samuel on loan.
Samuel had a spell on loan at Colchester in January, but he only made two appearances during his spell at the League One side.
18-year-old Samuel is highly regarded at Reading and he made his first-team debut against Sunderland earlier this season.
Reading boss Brian McDermott is keen for Samuel to get some first-team experience under his belt and he is happy to loan him out so that he can continue his development.
I've never been that impressed by Samuel when I've seen him (it's only 2 or 3 times admittedly) so I'm not sure what the fuss is.
He obviously knows where the goal is though, but I'm not sure if he's one of those that just excels at a lower level (like Brayson) or one that is just deceptively effective (like a matured Long or Welbeck).
He obviously knows where the goal is though, but I'm not sure if he's one of those that just excels at a lower level (like Brayson) or one that is just deceptively effective (like a matured Long or Welbeck).
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Hoop Blah I've never been that impressed by Samuel when I've seen him (it's only 2 or 3 times admittedly) so I'm not sure what the fuss is.
He obviously knows where the goal is though, but I'm not sure if he's one of those that just excels at a lower level (like Brayson) or one that is just deceptively effective (like a matured Long or Welbeck).
Give him a chance - he is not even 19 yet. It is far too early to say whether he will be a Shane Long/Kevin Doyle or just another in the long line of promising young players who never made it.
I have seen him play a few times and been generally impressed so I am hopeful he will make it.
Hoop Blah I've never been that impressed by Samuel when I've seen him (it's only 2 or 3 times admittedly) so I'm not sure what the fuss is.
He obviously knows where the goal is though, but I'm not sure if he's one of those that just excels at a lower level (like Brayson) or one that is just deceptively effective (like a matured Long or Welbeck).
We always have that one youth team player that gets overhyped and flatters to decieve (e.g. Scott Davies, Jake Taylor, Lawson D'Ath - who could still make it) - almost always an attacking midfielder. Just hoping he doesn't end up falling into that category, hence the question. He is only young though, not meaning to appear to discredit or write him off.
Does sound like the quality of youth team players is increasing year on year, and despite missing out on Cat 1 status for now we'll surely just continue to improve the flow to the squad.
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winchester_royal Another good win for the younger guys today, with Samuel scoring a Messi-esque goal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOBDhLlRMDY&feature=youtu.be
Follows up a 4-3 victory yesterday for the U18's against Everton in which Ikpeazu scored another hat-trick taking his tally for the season to 22 goals from 20 games. If only things were looking as good for the first team.
Anyone stand out today for those who went?
Obviously a sensation goal but oon the face of it just backs up the theory he is very good at a lower level. But actually, his team mates dont make any decent runs, and those defenders are Man Citys U21s, surely hand picked with no money spared...
So stick him in!
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Z175winchester_royal Another good win for the younger guys today, with Samuel scoring a Messi-esque goal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOBDhLlRMDY&feature=youtu.be
Follows up a 4-3 victory yesterday for the U18's against Everton in which Ikpeazu scored another hat-trick taking his tally for the season to 22 goals from 20 games. If only things were looking as good for the first team.
Anyone stand out today for those who went?
Obviously a sensation goal but oon the face of it just backs up the theory he is very good at a lower level. But actually, his team mates dont make any decent runs, and those defenders are Man Citys U21s, surely hand picked with no money spared...
So stick him in!
Far too early for him to play at PL level IMO. Only exceptional players like Rooney can really make it at such a young age. Far better to bring him on slowly like we did with Pearce, Karacan and HRK - who are all now regulars in the PL squad having first proved themselves at a lower level - (plus Siggy of course).
andrew1957Hoop Blah I've never been that impressed by Samuel when I've seen him (it's only 2 or 3 times admittedly) so I'm not sure what the fuss is.
He obviously knows where the goal is though, but I'm not sure if he's one of those that just excels at a lower level (like Brayson) or one that is just deceptively effective (like a matured Long or Welbeck).
Give him a chance - he is not even 19 yet. It is far too early to say whether he will be a Shane Long/Kevin Doyle or just another in the long line of promising young players who never made it.
I have seen him play a few times and been generally impressed so I am hopeful he will make it.
Give him a chance? I'm certainly not writing him off!.
I'm just saying that he's not jumped out at me as having that extra ability that I think you need to make it. He may just be one of those that is mentally better and so will make it work whatever it takes. Watching the likes of Tyson, Henderson, Pearce or Karacan at youth level you could see they had outstanding facets to their games that may help them make it. Some don't need that of course, but usually players have an outstanding strength that you know will work for them, some, like Church, don't really have that.
Why are we dissecting U21 players negatively.
Man City U21 squad played with Slovakian int, Spanish U20 Int, Belgium U21 Int, Portugal Int and English Intl and one of them cost more than the whole Reading U21 side.
Do they need a foreign sounding name before they can show any flair. (Glen Hoddle, Stan Bowles, Tony Currie....etc are you hearing this!)
How many Young British Players do you know have the technique, flair shown.
That's good enough for me that they beat such a Team
The continental Managers would be more than happy to take them off your hands.
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Man City U21 squad played with Slovakian int, Spanish U20 Int, Belgium U21 Int, Portugal Int and English Intl and one of them cost more than the whole Reading U21 side.
Do they need a foreign sounding name before they can show any flair. (Glen Hoddle, Stan Bowles, Tony Currie....etc are you hearing this!)
How many Young British Players do you know have the technique, flair shown.
That's good enough for me that they beat such a Team
The continental Managers would be more than happy to take them off your hands.
Wake up, football is changing, give British youth a chance. Give Reading FC Support
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mambo3 Why are we dissecting U21 players negatively.
Man City U21 squad played with Slovakian int, Spanish U20 Int, Belgium U21 Int, Portugal Int and English Intl and one of them cost more than the whole Reading U21 side.
Do they need a foreign sounding name before they can show any flair. (Glen Hoddle, Stan Bowles, Tony Currie....etc are you hearing this!)
How many Young British Players do you know have the technique, flair shown.
That's good enough for me that they beat such a Team
The continental Managers would be more than happy to take them off your hands.
Wake up, football is changing, give British youth a chance. Give Reading FC Support
Mambo, don't worry - you'll soon have all the poisitivity beaten out of you by the usual suspects and become a "normal" Reading fan.
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Something else I noticed, it didn't;'t seem to be affecting his play but Pierce Sweeney was looking rather large... hopefully it's the result of him being on a gym friendly diet!
ZacNaloen Something else I noticed, it didn't;'t seem to be affecting his play but Pierce Sweeney was looking rather large... hopefully it's the result of him being on a gym friendly diet!
Maybe he discovered Sweeney & Todd.
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A bit late, but here is my player by player review. No scores /10 as I don't think it is fair to the younger players
GK - Andersen - Looked very solid. Made a couple of blinding saves and didn't put a foot wrong
RB - Arnold - excellent defensively, strong in the tackle, quick, could improve distribution going forward
LB - Webb - quick, good on the ball, attacked more than Arnold. Was really impressed with him.
CB - Keown - Man of the match - composed, solid, strong, brave (did a couple of key blocks when he threw himself at shots) - a great prospect & apparently was on standby for the England u18's so playing a couple of years up too. I would say that along with Cooper, Tshibola, Fosu and Samuel - he is the most likley to make it out of the academy into our first team at some point
CB - Sweeney - I also thought he had bulked up a bit, not as stand out as Keown, but certainly did nothing wrong and looks solid (literally)
RM - Edwards - I have seen him a few times, he made the first goal and looks tidy, but does he have the raw pace or trickery for a winger?
CM (Capt) - Tabb - I was actually least impressed with his performance than all of the other players. I expected more. He worked hard and won a few tackles, he gave every pass simply to the nearest man, but I thought he slowed down some promising counter attacks and gave the ball away a bit too much (has he been watching Ledge?)
CM - D'Ath - as always at this level, he looked good. He started as a CM and moved forward when Kelly went off. He is creative, looks for the positive option, dribbles well and scored a cracking goal from the edge of the box. Not far off man of the match. Probably needs another loan spell where he gets more game time
LM - Tanner - I really like his game when he plays in the 2nd striker role (I always think he plays like Peter Beardsley), but I thought he was lost on the left wing as he doesn't have the pace / trickery. But he scored a goal and created / had a few chances. A very young player still with plenty of inventiveness and potential.
2nd striker / CAM - Kelly - First time I have seen him in this role. He is tiny, but has quick feet and neat touches, but I thought the game passed him by a bit and he was subbed after about 75 mins. I think he is one of the younger ones too and I think was prob playing out of position
Striker - Samuel - he was absolute class. He was the difference between the 2 teams. He was often isolated as we played more 451 than 433 and every time he got the ball he either ran in behind or held it up. He looks physically stronger and quicker than when I have seen him before. His goal was great - it had me off my feet spontaneously applauding / cheering and was one of the best solo goals I have seen for a while (I am sure you've seen the YouTube clip by now). He probably needs another loan so the interest from Dagenham is good. If we go down, he could be a handy 4th striker. He played a lot like Shane Long used to last night, the lone striker who runs onto passes rather than Pog who tends to hold it up more. I was really encouraged by his performance.
Subs - Partridge came on after 75 and played a defensive mid role
Losasso came on for Tanner with about 10 mins to go.
So overall, very promising. We were more clinical than City. They had plenty of possession, but did not create a lot due to our excellent defence and in Samuel we had a menacing threat going forward.
GK - Andersen - Looked very solid. Made a couple of blinding saves and didn't put a foot wrong
RB - Arnold - excellent defensively, strong in the tackle, quick, could improve distribution going forward
LB - Webb - quick, good on the ball, attacked more than Arnold. Was really impressed with him.
CB - Keown - Man of the match - composed, solid, strong, brave (did a couple of key blocks when he threw himself at shots) - a great prospect & apparently was on standby for the England u18's so playing a couple of years up too. I would say that along with Cooper, Tshibola, Fosu and Samuel - he is the most likley to make it out of the academy into our first team at some point
CB - Sweeney - I also thought he had bulked up a bit, not as stand out as Keown, but certainly did nothing wrong and looks solid (literally)
RM - Edwards - I have seen him a few times, he made the first goal and looks tidy, but does he have the raw pace or trickery for a winger?
CM (Capt) - Tabb - I was actually least impressed with his performance than all of the other players. I expected more. He worked hard and won a few tackles, he gave every pass simply to the nearest man, but I thought he slowed down some promising counter attacks and gave the ball away a bit too much (has he been watching Ledge?)
CM - D'Ath - as always at this level, he looked good. He started as a CM and moved forward when Kelly went off. He is creative, looks for the positive option, dribbles well and scored a cracking goal from the edge of the box. Not far off man of the match. Probably needs another loan spell where he gets more game time
LM - Tanner - I really like his game when he plays in the 2nd striker role (I always think he plays like Peter Beardsley), but I thought he was lost on the left wing as he doesn't have the pace / trickery. But he scored a goal and created / had a few chances. A very young player still with plenty of inventiveness and potential.
2nd striker / CAM - Kelly - First time I have seen him in this role. He is tiny, but has quick feet and neat touches, but I thought the game passed him by a bit and he was subbed after about 75 mins. I think he is one of the younger ones too and I think was prob playing out of position
Striker - Samuel - he was absolute class. He was the difference between the 2 teams. He was often isolated as we played more 451 than 433 and every time he got the ball he either ran in behind or held it up. He looks physically stronger and quicker than when I have seen him before. His goal was great - it had me off my feet spontaneously applauding / cheering and was one of the best solo goals I have seen for a while (I am sure you've seen the YouTube clip by now). He probably needs another loan so the interest from Dagenham is good. If we go down, he could be a handy 4th striker. He played a lot like Shane Long used to last night, the lone striker who runs onto passes rather than Pog who tends to hold it up more. I was really encouraged by his performance.
Subs - Partridge came on after 75 and played a defensive mid role
Losasso came on for Tanner with about 10 mins to go.
So overall, very promising. We were more clinical than City. They had plenty of possession, but did not create a lot due to our excellent defence and in Samuel we had a menacing threat going forward.
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