Another finals another load of idiots

[LUX]

an unsurprising at all the Ingurland hooligan apologists on here.

Yes, the Russians are equally to blame this time ( notably in the stadium. They have rightly been threatened with expulsion from the competition too). Of course locals incited the England fans in Marseille , no doubt. But there were some disgusting scenes created by (a minority) of English fans in the city over the weekend.

You cannot ignore the effect this is having on our reputation as a country. It is very much the lead story on the TV news/papers over here (until the Orlando massacre).

The irony of being thrown out of the Euros is fantastic in view of the referendum.

equal? In the stadium? Lol.

no, sorry if I was not clear. In the stadium it was the Russians, and only the Russians.

[Ian Royal]

they deserve to get battered for drinking and singing?
Lol. Dont care what theyre singing, thats kinda bollox

Hmmm, it's a difficult one, but I kinda know what he means.

No one really deserves to get a kicking*. But if you're going to be loud, obnoxious, drunk and offensive you are really putting yourself in a position you're likely to provoke some unsavoury people into reacting. And whilst they are responsible for their actions, you have to take some responsibility for creating the circumstances that led to those actions.



*that's overstating it a bit perhaps.

The attacks arent a response to provocation, theyre organised and orchestrated strikes on our fans because we are seen as THE big scalp for foreign hooligan gangs.

I understand that our history means its easy to blame them. And our habit of singing provocative songs doesn't endear us to the authorities, but I dont think it justifies the attacks, or the response.

How would u react if you were with your mates at a bar when a gang of armed Russian or French thugs steam in out if nowhere with hammers, metal bars, knuckle dusters, knives, balaclavas, gum Shields, batter the oxf*rd out of people thwn disappear, followed by tear gas and baton charges by police?
Me, id run away, the same as most ive seen on vids. But it didnt stop them getting attacked.

And you wouldn't get any blame for being drunken, aggressive and lairy, because you hadn't been. Unless you had, in which case you would.

[Maneki Neko]

The attacks arent a response to provocationThe Russian ones, I agree. Not so sure about Thursday and Friday night., theyre organised and orchestrated strikes on our fans because we are seen as THE big scalp for foreign hooligan gangs. That explains the violence Saturday, when armed and organised Russian gangs attacked England fans. What's the excuse for Thursday and Friday night?

I understand that our history means its easy to blame them. And our habit of singing provocative songs doesn't endear us to the authorities, but I dont think it justifies the attacks, or the response. History? Have people who get off their face on holiday learnt how to stop being aggressive, violent and abusive? Does Friar Street no longer need a police presence on Friday nights?

How would u react if you were with your mates at a bar when a gang of armed Russian or French thugs steam in out if nowhere with hammers, metal bars, knuckle dusters, knives, balaclavas, gum Shields, batter the oxf*rd out of people thwn disappear, followed by tear gas and baton charges by police?
Me, id run away, the same as most ive seen on vids. But it didnt stop them getting attacked. I'd do the same. But that didn't happen until Saturday. There'd been trouble since Thursday.

Reports from Friday night 'suggested' a group of 70 or so local 'ultra's' initiated the trouble with England fans who were outside a bar.

Even the bar owner said the Brits did nothing wrong
Perfect demonstration of knee jerk nonsense with no interest in actual facts

[LWJ]

was mostly pissed up English chanting stuff like "we are racist and we like it" and "stick your EU up your arse", fighting the police and smashing the place up.

Any video proof of this?

[Royal Lady]

We may not agree on politics Bendy, but we're together on this one. LOL @ people like Ian Royal spouting bollox as usual. You only have to look at the videos released since the tournament started that the Russians and local Ultras were the ones who were out looking for trouble, INCLUDING Thursday and Friday.

[LWJ]

I'm off to Russia v Slovakia on Wednesday. Should I play dead if it all kicks off?

Call the three horsemen to back you up xxx

[LWJ]

Russians have been organising 30 v 30 fights between their clubs all season. This was to help them train, and decide who to take across to France. Reports suggest they are back in Russia and hailed as heroes.

Russian politicians supporting them shows what we are up against.

England should bring back legalised hooligan fights. Train for Russia 2018.

[Pepe the Horseman]

I'm off to Russia v Slovakia on Wednesday. Should I play dead if it all kicks off?

Call the three horsemen to back you up xxx

Can I count on you, m8?

[LWJ]

I'm off to Russia v Slovakia on Wednesday. Should I play dead if it all kicks off?

Call the three horsemen to back you up xxx

Can I count on you, m8?

As always m8. HNA? top boy*


*Behind BF

[No Fixed Abode]

We may not agree on politics Bendy, but we're together on this one. LOL @ people like Ian Royal spouting bollox as usual. You only have to look at the videos released since the tournament started that the Russians and local Ultras were the ones who were out looking for trouble, INCLUDING Thursday and Friday.

But there will be an element of England fans looking for trouble too.

[Royal Lady]

We may not agree on politics Bendy, but we're together on this one. LOL @ people like Ian Royal spouting bollox as usual. You only have to look at the videos released since the tournament started that the Russians and local Ultras were the ones who were out looking for trouble, INCLUDING Thursday and Friday.

But there will be an element of England fans looking for trouble too.

A very small element Kes - I'm not saying the English fans are perfect by any means, but everything I have seen regarding videos, personal statements and stuff from people like Stan Collymore, show me that the Ultras, Russians or whoever, were intent on causing trouble. The scenes in the stadium, however, were totally not the fault of the English at all. Women, children and old people were caught up in it as well. And, for that alone, Russia should be given a severe warning. Plus the French need to step up their security.

[St Pauli]

We may not agree on politics Bendy, but we're together on this one. LOL @ people like Ian Royal spouting bollox as usual. You only have to look at the videos released since the tournament started that the Russians and local Ultras were the ones who were out looking for trouble, INCLUDING Thursday and Friday.

But there will be an element of England fans looking for trouble too.

A very small element Kes - I'm not saying the English fans are perfect by any means, but everything I have seen regarding videos, personal statements and stuff from people like Stan Collymore, show me that the Ultras, Russians or whoever, were intent on causing trouble. The scenes in the stadium, however, were totally not the fault of the English at all. Women, children and old people were caught up in it as well. And, for that alone, Russia should be given a severe warning. Plus the French need to step up their security.

So you're agreed than that the England fans are partly responsible for what went on in Marseille by the port (not the stadium that as all Russia agreed)?

[St Pauli]

Russians have been organising 30 v 30 fights between their clubs all season. This was to help them train, and decide who to take across to France. Reports suggest they are back in Russia and hailed as heroes.

Russian politicians supporting them shows what we are up against.

England should bring back legalised hooligan fights. Train for Russia 2018.

The way the Russian media and sections of their parliament have responded to this is indeed quite astounding, agreed.

[St Pauli]

But there will be an element of England fans looking for trouble too.

A very small element Kes - I'm not saying the English fans are perfect by any means, but everything I have seen regarding videos, personal statements and stuff from people like Stan Collymore, show me that the Ultras, Russians or whoever, were intent on causing trouble. The scenes in the stadium, however, were totally not the fault of the English at all. Women, children and old people were caught up in it as well. And, for that alone, Russia should be given a severe warning. Plus the French need to step up their security.

So you're agreed than that the England fans are partly responsible for what went on in Marseille by the port (not the stadium that as all Russia agreed)?

ETA Video of the Saturday, plenty of aggressive English fans calling the Russians walking past out, throwing shit at the police and running around looking to fight Russians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUhWij84rOg

[Maneki Neko]

We may not agree on politics Bendy, but we're together on this one. LOL @ people like Ian Royal spouting bollox as usual. You only have to look at the videos released since the tournament started that the Russians and local Ultras were the ones who were out looking for trouble, INCLUDING Thursday and Friday.

But there will be an element of England fans looking for trouble too.

A very small element Kes - I'm not saying the English fans are perfect by any means, but everything I have seen regarding videos, personal statements and stuff from people like Stan Collymore, show me that the Ultras, Russians or whoever, were intent on causing trouble. The scenes in the stadium, however, were totally not the fault of the English at all. Women, children and old people were caught up in it as well. And, for that alone, Russia should be given a severe warning. Plus the French need to step up their security.

they've literally only just come off the back of a suspended sentence for previous racism/crowd trouble before this tournament.
the idea that they'll get a 10000 euro fine and a slap on the wrist again is utterly laughable and makes uefa culpable

[Maneki Neko]

But there will be an element of England fans looking for trouble too.

A very small element Kes - I'm not saying the English fans are perfect by any means, but everything I have seen regarding videos, personal statements and stuff from people like Stan Collymore, show me that the Ultras, Russians or whoever, were intent on causing trouble. The scenes in the stadium, however, were totally not the fault of the English at all. Women, children and old people were caught up in it as well. And, for that alone, Russia should be given a severe warning. Plus the French need to step up their security.

So you're agreed than that the England fans are partly responsible for what went on in Marseille by the port (not the stadium that as all Russia agreed)?

ETA Video of the Saturday, plenty of aggressive English fans calling the Russians walking past out, throwing shit at the police and running around looking to fight Russians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUhWij84rOg

after theyd been attacked and tear gassed.

[St Pauli]

A very small element Kes - I'm not saying the English fans are perfect by any means, but everything I have seen regarding videos, personal statements and stuff from people like Stan Collymore, show me that the Ultras, Russians or whoever, were intent on causing trouble. The scenes in the stadium, however, were totally not the fault of the English at all. Women, children and old people were caught up in it as well. And, for that alone, Russia should be given a severe warning. Plus the French need to step up their security.

So you're agreed than that the England fans are partly responsible for what went on in Marseille by the port (not the stadium that as all Russia agreed)?

ETA Video of the Saturday, plenty of aggressive English fans calling the Russians walking past out, throwing shit at the police and running around looking to fight Russians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUhWij84rOg

after theyd been attacked and tear gassed.

Yeah, look at the England fans at 7;30-8:00. Oh the poor victims, yeah they don't want a fight at all!

[savage 4 england]

Got back from Marseille last night.

I was in the port when the Russian's turned up. England fans just having beers, singing and eating. That included some families eating inside. I would compare it to a lot of fans congregating outside the Three Guineas. Next thing you know there's 200 russians armed to the teeth ready to charge out of nowhere. Instead of tear gassing the Russian's it was aimed at England fans standing outside the bar. I then moved inside the bar and another can was pelted actually into the restaurant.

I stayed inside the restaurant not seeing anything. By the time I came out the Russian's had gone. The tear gas was exactly what the Russian's wanted. As they wanted England fans piling into the side streets where the Russian's and Marseille youths could chase them. A question needs to be asked, as to why the Police did exactly what the local gangs and Russian's wanted?

It would be interesting to see where the police were from. As there has been problems with corruption in the Marseille police before with gangs. I know English police around were exasperated with the French police handling.

After that I headed onto the Metro (not after Police tried to block England fans and use tear gas again). The security going into the ground was extremely lax for all the build up prior. After the game a lot of the public transport was not running and meant England fans pouring back onto the streets.

Didn't see any England fans fight and thankfully the press is beginning to pick up the real story.

[savage 4 england]

Oh and the explosion in the ground was a signal for the Russian's to charge.

Was in the main stand above the press box, was startled by the explosion and then saw the charge.

[No Fixed Abode]

We may not agree on politics Bendy, but we're together on this one. LOL @ people like Ian Royal spouting bollox as usual. You only have to look at the videos released since the tournament started that the Russians and local Ultras were the ones who were out looking for trouble, INCLUDING Thursday and Friday.

But there will be an element of England fans looking for trouble too.

A very small element Kes - I'm not saying the English fans are perfect by any means, but everything I have seen regarding videos, personal statements and stuff from people like Stan Collymore, show me that the Ultras, Russians or whoever, were intent on causing trouble. The scenes in the stadium, however, were totally not the fault of the English at all. Women, children and old people were caught up in it as well. And, for that alone, Russia should be given a severe warning. Plus the French need to step up their security.

There will be a few thousand English trouble makers over there (think of all the English firms coming together for these Euro's). I wouldn't say that's a very small element.