by Hound » 08 Jul 2019 20:46
by From Despair To Where? » 08 Jul 2019 20:56
by paultheroyal » 09 Jul 2019 09:39
NamelesspaultheroyalFrom Despair To Where?
Only in the sense that they were two 3rd or 4th choice squad players who left because they wanted guaranteed first team football, despite the club offering them improved deals. In both cases, the player chose to leave. It's really not that difficult to understand.
Still, if we do get the £1.3m sell on, that's £7650 for every minute he played for us in the Championship.
I understand that part alright, its more to the point that our talent network, management etc do not see the talent and willing to let them go, but happily keep on the likes of many other failed academy products.
We weren’t WILLING to let them go, they turned down contracts to go. You can’t stop an out of contract player leaving, it’s not 1962 anymore.....
by From Despair To Where? » 09 Jul 2019 09:58
by Maneki Neko » 09 Jul 2019 10:33
by P!ssed Off » 09 Jul 2019 20:01
From Despair To Where? Are you suggesting that in 2012, Antonio warranted being picked in the Premiership ahead of McAnuff, McCleary, Robson-Kanu and Kebe?
He chose to take a step back to the Championship, where he felt he couldn't get regular games, which incidentally was still a league above where he had played the bulk of his career.
Had we not gone up in 2012, he would have got much more game time with us. I would liken him more to Johnny Hayes who had to take a couple of steps back after we got promoted to finally see his career take off. From what I see, a victim of circumstance rather than any lack of faith in him.
by P!ssed Off » 09 Jul 2019 20:07
by From Despair To Where? » 09 Jul 2019 20:09
P!ssed OffFrom Despair To Where? Are you suggesting that in 2012, Antonio warranted being picked in the Premiership ahead of McAnuff, McCleary, Robson-Kanu and Kebe?
He chose to take a step back to the Championship, where he felt he couldn't get regular games, which incidentally was still a league above where he had played the bulk of his career.
Had we not gone up in 2012, he would have got much more game time with us. I would liken him more to Johnny Hayes who had to take a couple of steps back after we got promoted to finally see his career take off. From what I see, a victim of circumstance rather than any lack of faith in him.
The obvious answer is we wouldn't have had to sign Nick Blackman in January and give him 11 PL games, if we hadn't got rid of Antonio.
Similar lower league record to Antonio and played in the same position. Signed for far more money than we received for Antonio.
Clear and obvious error from the club, and just because it's standard practice to focus entirely on the short term and let youth players stagnate/leave does not mean it's the correct thing to do.
by sandman » 09 Jul 2019 20:11
by P!ssed Off » 09 Jul 2019 20:18
From Despair To Where?P!ssed OffFrom Despair To Where? Are you suggesting that in 2012, Antonio warranted being picked in the Premiership ahead of McAnuff, McCleary, Robson-Kanu and Kebe?
He chose to take a step back to the Championship, where he felt he couldn't get regular games, which incidentally was still a league above where he had played the bulk of his career.
Had we not gone up in 2012, he would have got much more game time with us. I would liken him more to Johnny Hayes who had to take a couple of steps back after we got promoted to finally see his career take off. From what I see, a victim of circumstance rather than any lack of faith in him.
The obvious answer is we wouldn't have had to sign Nick Blackman in January and give him 11 PL games, if we hadn't got rid of Antonio.
Similar lower league record to Antonio and played in the same position. Signed for far more money than we received for Antonio.
Clear and obvious error from the club, and just because it's standard practice to focus entirely on the short term and let youth players stagnate/leave does not mean it's the correct thing to do.
Buuuut, it was Antonio's decision to leave. The club did not "get rid" of him.
by URZZZZ » 09 Jul 2019 20:21
sandman Antonio was shite for us. Constantly tripped over the ball and when he did have it under control the crowd were more in danger of getting on the end of his crosses than his team mates were.
He needed to leave to develop. Just because he's gone on to have a fairly decent career in the Premier League doesn't change that.
Tbf he still isnt that good, no technical ability whatsoever. His game is basically head down, run and get on the back post for a header. Fair play to him for getting as far as he has.
by P!ssed Off » 09 Jul 2019 20:28
sandman Antonio was shite for us. Constantly tripped over the ball and when he did have it under control the crowd were more in danger of getting on the end of his crosses than his team mates were.
He needed to leave to develop. Just because he's gone on to have a fairly decent career in the Premier League doesn't change that.
Tbf he still isnt that good, no technical ability whatsoever. His game is basically head down, run and get on the back post for a header. Fair play to him for getting as far as he has.
by Sutekh » 09 Jul 2019 21:00
P!ssed Offsandman Antonio was shite for us. Constantly tripped over the ball and when he did have it under control the crowd were more in danger of getting on the end of his crosses than his team mates were.
He needed to leave to develop. Just because he's gone on to have a fairly decent career in the Premier League doesn't change that.
Tbf he still isnt that good, no technical ability whatsoever. His game is basically head down, run and get on the back post for a header. Fair play to him for getting as far as he has.
It's fair for fans to base their judgement on players from what they see of them at the Madejski on a Saturday.
At the point he left Antonio had had multiple successful loan spells and the club clearly underestimated his potential and lost out on a lot of money and a good player.
"He needed to leave to develop" is a classic line but rather than exonerating a club, it is a damning indictment.
I am not sure there has ever been a time when it's been impossible to integrate a talented youngster in to the 1st team. Even the 05/06 team you can't really say Hayes and Simon Cox were a victim of circumstance.
We couldn't have given the dreadful Eric Obinna Chukwunyelu's 6 league appearances to SImon Cox?
We couldn't have shaved a few games off the shite John Oster's 33 league appearances and given a few to Hayes?
by From Despair To Where? » 10 Jul 2019 09:36
P!ssed OffFrom Despair To Where?P!ssed Off
The obvious answer is we wouldn't have had to sign Nick Blackman in January and give him 11 PL games, if we hadn't got rid of Antonio.
Similar lower league record to Antonio and played in the same position. Signed for far more money than we received for Antonio.
Clear and obvious error from the club, and just because it's standard practice to focus entirely on the short term and let youth players stagnate/leave does not mean it's the correct thing to do.
Buuuut, it was Antonio's decision to leave. The club did not "get rid" of him.
He wanted to leave because we weren't going to give him any game time...
"Yeah, but we couldn't give him any game time because he chose to leave."
Getting nowhere here...
by From Despair To Where? » 10 Jul 2019 09:52
SutekhP!ssed Offsandman Antonio was shite for us. Constantly tripped over the ball and when he did have it under control the crowd were more in danger of getting on the end of his crosses than his team mates were.
He needed to leave to develop. Just because he's gone on to have a fairly decent career in the Premier League doesn't change that.
Tbf he still isnt that good, no technical ability whatsoever. His game is basically head down, run and get on the back post for a header. Fair play to him for getting as far as he has.
It's fair for fans to base their judgement on players from what they see of them at the Madejski on a Saturday.
At the point he left Antonio had had multiple successful loan spells and the club clearly underestimated his potential and lost out on a lot of money and a good player.
"He needed to leave to develop" is a classic line but rather than exonerating a club, it is a damning indictment.
I am not sure there has ever been a time when it's been impossible to integrate a talented youngster in to the 1st team. Even the 05/06 team you can't really say Hayes and Simon Cox were a victim of circumstance.
We couldn't have given the dreadful Eric Obinna Chukwunyelu's 6 league appearances to SImon Cox?
We couldn't have shaved a few games off the shite John Oster's 33 league appearances and given a few to Hayes?
Thought we integrated Shane Long quite well that season though.
by Stranded » 10 Jul 2019 10:05
by Snowflake Royal » 10 Jul 2019 12:31
P!ssed OffFrom Despair To Where? Are you suggesting that in 2012, Antonio warranted being picked in the Premiership ahead of McAnuff, McCleary, Robson-Kanu and Kebe?
He chose to take a step back to the Championship, where he felt he couldn't get regular games, which incidentally was still a league above where he had played the bulk of his career.
Had we not gone up in 2012, he would have got much more game time with us. I would liken him more to Johnny Hayes who had to take a couple of steps back after we got promoted to finally see his career take off. From what I see, a victim of circumstance rather than any lack of faith in him.
The obvious answer is we wouldn't have had to sign Nick Blackman in January and give him 11 PL games, if we hadn't got rid of Antonio.
Similar lower league record to Antonio and played in the same position. Signed for far more money than we received for Antonio.
Clear and obvious error from the club, and just because it's standard practice to focus entirely on the short term and let youth players stagnate/leave does not mean it's the correct thing to do.
by Stranded » 10 Jul 2019 13:00
P!ssed OffFrom Despair To Where? Are you suggesting that in 2012, Antonio warranted being picked in the Premiership ahead of McAnuff, McCleary, Robson-Kanu and Kebe?
He chose to take a step back to the Championship, where he felt he couldn't get regular games, which incidentally was still a league above where he had played the bulk of his career.
Had we not gone up in 2012, he would have got much more game time with us. I would liken him more to Johnny Hayes who had to take a couple of steps back after we got promoted to finally see his career take off. From what I see, a victim of circumstance rather than any lack of faith in him.
The obvious answer is we wouldn't have had to sign Nick Blackman in January and give him 11 PL games, if we hadn't got rid of Antonio.
Similar lower league record to Antonio and played in the same position. Signed for far more money than we received for Antonio.
Clear and obvious error from the club, and just because it's standard practice to focus entirely on the short term and let youth players stagnate/leave does not mean it's the correct thing to do.
by SCIAG » 10 Jul 2019 19:30
Broxroyal Stam and his staff moved on Stacey, Fosu, Tanner and Jules because they felt they wouldn't make it at our level. All of them were under contract and could have stayed but accepted that it was better to move on.
You could reasonably argue that the club got three right and one wrong.
In Stacey's case he returned from loan at Exeter hoping to push for a place at right back, having previously been a right winger, but found that the club had accepted an offer for him. He had a long think about what to do, as he had been at Reading since he was a kid, and decided to make the move. He did not agitate for a move.
by FiNeRaIn » 10 Jul 2019 19:31
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